Vex's Testimony¶
Vexs testimony on stickmandan audio¶
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100:00:02SPEAKER_00So my first question would be, what happened between you and Sickman Dan?
200:00:11SPEAKER_03Well, it depends on what point you're talking about.
300:00:17SPEAKER_03If you're talking about the final straw for everything that made me stop talking to him, I found some other things out after I ended up blocking him.
400:00:29SPEAKER_02Hold on, before we begin...
500:00:31SPEAKER_02I need to ask you a question.
600:00:37SPEAKER_02Is everything you're going to say to you the truth to the best of your knowledge?
700:00:43SPEAKER_03Yes.
800:00:46SPEAKER_03As best as my mind can remember, which is good enough, I would say.
900:00:50SPEAKER_03Okay.
1000:00:54SPEAKER_03Anyway, back when the final straw, like I said, was...
1100:01:01SPEAKER_03I believe basically the whole tongues thing, the gift of tongues, like how he had become basically obsessive over it, I guess you could say.
1200:01:15SPEAKER_03Eventually, it just was basically it got too much to the point that it seemed like it was Cult again.
1300:01:23SPEAKER_03And like another Cult, because, you know, there was a Colt that he led before this that was KJV only-est.
1400:01:30SPEAKER_03he talked about it a lot.
1500:01:33SPEAKER_03Um, apparently he didn't talk to other people about it too much before the whole tongues thing started.
1600:01:43SPEAKER_03But, um, he did talk to me about it fairly early on comparatively.
1700:01:50SPEAKER_03I didn't know he wasn't telling other people at the time, but, uh, yeah.
1800:01:55SPEAKER_03Um, you know, it started, it started to look like another cult.
1900:02:01SPEAKER_03So I basically, let's see.
2000:02:04SPEAKER_03I basically sent him a, some scripture or like a picture of the Bible and, uh, blocked them.
2100:02:12SPEAKER_03Um, after that, that was like the very last interaction I actually had with him in DMs and all that.
2200:02:19SPEAKER_03Um, but before that, uh, I think it was mostly like, like, um, ah,
2300:02:31SPEAKER_03I will say the tongues thing was a big thing because it was, you know, not biblically based and all that.
2400:02:41SPEAKER_03And it seemed to take the focus off of God and the other things.
2500:02:46SPEAKER_03But I would also say that he just seemed to start...
2600:02:55SPEAKER_03I don't know if I want to say showing his true self, but...
2700:03:00SPEAKER_03that might be the best explanation for it.
2800:03:06SPEAKER_03He kind of just was changing.
2900:03:11SPEAKER_03I don't really know how to describe how he was changing.
3000:03:14SPEAKER_03I'm not good with describing personalities, I guess you could say.
3100:03:18SPEAKER_03He was definitely changing from how he used to be before I ended up blocking him.
3200:03:25SPEAKER_03There's just other things that I can't
3300:03:29SPEAKER_03remember most like yeah but um after the fact i believe um i found out about the whole higher level thing and um hey uh your microphone is getting muffled so since this is going to be transcribed um it would be better give me a second all right cool thank you
3400:04:04SPEAKER_03I'm on mobile, so I might have to leave and rejoin everyone, so I'll just let y'all know.
3500:04:08SPEAKER_03But, um... After... After I had blocked him, I believe this is whenever I found out, like, about Cyan Tabby, higher level, and the whole thingamajiggy that happened and, you know, Cyan got freaking...
3600:04:30SPEAKER_03Basically, I don't I cyber bullied I guess you could say off of the internet by higher level at least that's From my understanding what happened?
3700:04:39SPEAKER_03Um, I actually before I He was actually harassed off the internet by higher level Yeah, yeah, I mean cyber bullied whenever I say it, you know Sarah asked cyber bullied that I wasn't really this
3800:04:55SPEAKER_03extinguishing to do i didn't know there was a big difference in the end besides one being online and the other being usually in real life but anyway um uh the actually another thing is that i had like before let's go back again um i had actually found out or confronted
3900:05:19SPEAKER_03Higher level.
4000:05:21SPEAKER_03And the reason I had confronted him.
4100:05:23SPEAKER_03Because you know.
4200:05:24SPEAKER_03I didn't know.
4300:05:24SPEAKER_03And I just had been hearing some things.
4400:05:28SPEAKER_03Was because.
4500:05:29SPEAKER_03I thought he was in a.
4600:05:32SPEAKER_03Gay relationship with.
4700:05:35SPEAKER_03Siam.
4800:05:36SPEAKER_03That's why I confronted them originally.
4900:05:39SPEAKER_03However.
5000:05:39SPEAKER_03They.
5100:05:44SPEAKER_03He kind of got hostile.
5200:05:45SPEAKER_03Whenever I asked him.
5300:05:47SPEAKER_03I wasn't exactly.
5400:05:48SPEAKER_03super nice but also it was you know a serious thing and um i had done i had confronted him because i heard it from another person and he was like who did you hear this from among other things but anyways that's that's not too important yet i would say um but yeah no i confronted him he got hostile he actually ended up lying to me um
5500:06:16SPEAKER_03About not being in a relationship.
5600:06:18SPEAKER_03With Cyan.
5700:06:19SPEAKER_03Or maybe it had passed.
5800:06:21SPEAKER_03I'm assuming he was still in a relationship with him.
5900:06:25SPEAKER_03Or whatever that was.
6000:06:27SPEAKER_03But.
6100:06:30SPEAKER_03Eventually.
6200:06:31SPEAKER_03I think it was the day after.
6300:06:33SPEAKER_03I believe.
6400:06:36SPEAKER_03Stickman.
6500:06:38SPEAKER_03Talked to me about.
6600:06:40SPEAKER_03Basically how I confronted.
6700:06:42SPEAKER_03Higher level.
6800:06:44SPEAKER_03And.
6900:06:45SPEAKER_03He didn't outright deny it, but he never did confirm anything.
7000:06:52SPEAKER_03He was basically skirting around everything.
7100:06:56SPEAKER_03This was back whenever I still trusted him, so I didn't really think too much about it.
7200:07:02SPEAKER_03But yeah, that happened.
7300:07:04SPEAKER_03Also, the person I mentioned earlier that had given me...
7400:07:13SPEAKER_03I guess you could say tipped me off about, uh, higher level was called size.
7500:07:20SPEAKER_03Oh, and, um, yeah.
7600:07:26SPEAKER_03Uh, I don't, I don't really know what is like, what's her status anymore.
7700:07:33SPEAKER_03However, I will say this.
7800:07:37SPEAKER_03I found out that higher level at the same time,
7900:07:43SPEAKER_03apparently was talking about possibly getting into a relationship with said girl.
8000:07:51SPEAKER_03Um, and I mean, I think I mentioned this to several other people before, but unfortunately nothing can really come up, could come about it.
8100:08:00SPEAKER_03But, um, the thing is Sizo is at the time was 16 or 15.
8200:08:05SPEAKER_03Um,
8300:08:12SPEAKER_03and obviously a higher level talking to her about possibly getting into a relationship with her is was not a good thing at all um they both they also both live in south africa um so you know it's it's it's concerning um but i could do nothing about it and no one else could really do anything about it simply because it's across the ocean and we
8400:08:41SPEAKER_03don't have connections or anything but um man uh can you ask me another question to orient me real quick yeah no so what was the what was the age of higher level at this time um i'm trying to think i'm trying to remember i blew two three years two ago two years ago
8500:09:11SPEAKER_03Um, was it, I think it was two years ago.
8600:09:13SPEAKER_03I think he was in his twenties.
8700:09:16SPEAKER_03I think, I think he's in his twenties.
8800:09:18SPEAKER_03Um, I don't remember though.
8900:09:21SPEAKER_03I don't remember.
9000:09:22SPEAKER_03I've briefly remember like vaguely, very, very vaguely.
9100:09:28SPEAKER_03I vaguely remember someone saying he was like 20 something back then.
9200:09:35SPEAKER_03And I can't tell you who said it.
9300:09:38SPEAKER_03I can't tell you if it was the truth.
9400:09:41SPEAKER_03But I know he is an adult either way.
9500:09:45SPEAKER_00That was the overall consensus.
9600:09:47SPEAKER_0020 years old.
9700:09:49SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9800:09:51SPEAKER_03That's right, okay.
9900:09:55SPEAKER_00So what I would have asked you is just to go through your entire experience with Dan.
10000:10:05SPEAKER_00Since you're having a hard time remembering, I would say maybe point out the most...
10100:10:11SPEAKER_00Point out the most egregious things.
10200:10:13SPEAKER_00Well, just point out the big things that really happen.
10300:10:18SPEAKER_03I can point out what I think is the... What I personally think is the biggest thing.
10400:10:24SPEAKER_03I don't really...
10500:10:27SPEAKER_03I would have to think more about some other things, but I do remember this one very vividly.
10600:10:36SPEAKER_03So you remember how the whole...
10700:10:39SPEAKER_03Skittles got banned.
10800:10:40SPEAKER_03You remember back when Skittles got banned, yeah?
10900:10:42SPEAKER_03Yes, sir, yes, sir.
11000:10:44SPEAKER_03Yeah, okay, so... And you remember how the old server was up for a while.
11100:10:49Yeah.
11200:10:51SPEAKER_03So...
11300:10:54SPEAKER_03Unfortunately, I lost the screenshots because it was on my old phone.
11400:10:58SPEAKER_03But after a while... What is his name?
11500:11:04SPEAKER_03Stickman, sorry.
11600:11:06SPEAKER_03I really have tried not to think about him, so...
11700:11:09SPEAKER_03I forget his name.
11800:11:10SPEAKER_03Um, anyway, essentially after a while, um, I don't know who else was in there, but I had stayed, you know, in the server just because, you know, I'm might need more evidence or whatever.
11900:11:26SPEAKER_03Um, stick man made an announcement on skills behalf.
12000:11:32SPEAKER_03And basically it was stick man saying for Skittles, but I,
12100:11:38SPEAKER_03you know, it's still stick man saying this.
12200:11:40SPEAKER_03And so he is complicit in everything.
12300:11:43SPEAKER_03Um, essentially that Skittles is, um, innocent, uh, legally, um, because, uh, they, the, the people were the age of consent in their States, which by law is not true.
12400:12:03SPEAKER_03It, the, uh,
12500:12:05SPEAKER_03I won't get into it too much, but 18 years old is the minimum age of consent federally, and that's what matters whenever it comes to online stuff.
12600:12:13SPEAKER_03But anyway, and basically how he was going to take a small break from Discord, which Skittles did not do, and I think eventually he would come back and make a server like Skittles would, and
12700:12:35SPEAKER_03I can't remember if this was a part of it, but I do know Stickman said that no miners would be allowed in the server that Skittles made, which was a complete and total lie.
12800:12:52SPEAKER_03Several miners were in there, including Errant, unfortunately.
12900:12:59SPEAKER_03But leave him out of this.
13000:13:01SPEAKER_03It's just he was in there.
13100:13:05SPEAKER_03and then um oh there was something else too it was just a big deal essentially um skittles made like i think three different promises one of them being not allowing miners into the discord server um and it was a every single one of them was a lie um which stickman could have been lying as well i mean either way um and you know
13200:13:36SPEAKER_03Stickman vouched very heavily for Skittles.
13300:13:42SPEAKER_03After everything.
13400:13:44SPEAKER_03Basically saying he was getting better.
13500:13:49SPEAKER_03He was basically trying to focus on God.
13600:13:54SPEAKER_03And that he had tried to stop being what he was.
13700:13:59SPEAKER_03And apparently still is.
13800:14:02SPEAKER_03And that was...
13900:14:05SPEAKER_03I mean, it was either all false or it was never.
14000:14:10SPEAKER_03I don't know.
14100:14:11SPEAKER_03It was either all false or it became false back in the last incident.
14200:14:17SPEAKER_03I heard it was in October from various people.
14300:14:22SPEAKER_03But yeah.
14400:14:24SPEAKER_03That's basically the biggest thing I could point out about Stickman is that basically he he covered for Skittles and and actually.
14500:14:35SPEAKER_03I heard this from other people.
14600:14:37SPEAKER_03Um, he lets higher level back into the server multiple times.
14700:14:43SPEAKER_03Um, despite, you know, him being a pedophile.
14800:14:46SPEAKER_00Um, I,
14900:14:56SPEAKER_03Haven't heard of it recently, but I heard he was let back in multiple times.
15000:15:01SPEAKER_03I mean, I will.
15100:15:03SPEAKER_03Yeah, we've heard that.
15200:15:04SPEAKER_03I will.
15300:15:06SPEAKER_03OK, I was just going to say I heard this from other people.
15400:15:10SPEAKER_03I haven't been in that server for a long time, but, you know, I'm just repeating what other people have said to me.
15500:15:18SPEAKER_03Who are in that server.
15600:15:19SPEAKER_03So that's why I'm trusting their word.
15700:15:21SPEAKER_03I won't tell you who they are, because I think that would be, you know.
15800:15:27SPEAKER_03they did tell me that.
15900:15:30SPEAKER_03What was I going to say?
16000:15:32SPEAKER_03There was another thing.
16100:15:35SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
16200:15:37SPEAKER_03I think the second, I guess you could say second worst thing, but really, it's just as bad.
16300:15:46SPEAKER_03From what I understand, Stickman has basically been preaching a what I call soft universalism.
16400:15:56SPEAKER_03Um, which is essentially so long as you have faith in God, you do not have to change and you'll be saved, which is not true.
16500:16:10SPEAKER_03Obviously, um, you can't like you can't still you can't.
16600:16:18SPEAKER_03Be doing homosexual acts, for instance, unrepentantly.
16700:16:25SPEAKER_03and say you, you know, believe in God and you're saved.
16800:16:29SPEAKER_03I mean, you know, I don't really have to go too far into that because that's just like overall.
16900:16:35SPEAKER_03He's basically been promoting that and allowing LGBTQ things in the server around minors.
17000:16:43SPEAKER_03You know, so that's another thing is it's around minors that server has minors in it.
17100:16:49SPEAKER_03So besides that, I can't really
17200:16:54SPEAKER_03remember more um mostly because that was for the other stuff is like even further back and like i said i haven't been thinking about it and that kind of makes it hard to remember you have any other oh i remember hearing about snake man dan threatening you
17300:17:23SPEAKER_00with uh yeah he so i wish a little kitty was here um so basically stickman dan you looked up to him at some point almost as a mentorship kind of thing and so he used that to manipulate you and to make you take the fall for someone else if i'm right i
17400:17:51SPEAKER_03No, not really.
17500:17:52SPEAKER_03I mean, I did look, in all honesty, I did consider him not even a mentor.
17600:17:58SPEAKER_03I did kind of consider him one of my best friends.
17700:18:03SPEAKER_03The thing you might be referring to, and this was a long time ago, so I have changed.
17800:18:12SPEAKER_03I was in a staff position of that server.
17900:18:17SPEAKER_03And
18000:18:20SPEAKER_03I ended up earping with someone who was about 20, 22.
18100:18:25SPEAKER_03Um, and I had talked to Dan about it.
18200:18:30SPEAKER_03Um, some other things, um, I, and I had forgotten about it, but there was a big thing, but essentially I had done it before I had done another thing.
18300:18:44SPEAKER_03And stick man had promised me that he wouldn't like, go ahead and ban me essentially.
18400:18:51SPEAKER_03Um, and that we would talk about some things and, you know, but, um, he essentially ended up banning me anyway.
18500:19:01SPEAKER_03Um, uh, I mean, I can understand, I could understand that, but the main thing was that he had went back on what was a promise.
18600:19:12SPEAKER_03Yeah.
18700:19:13SPEAKER_03He had promised me, um, not to ban me.
18800:19:17SPEAKER_03Um, I might've been taken down from leadership or whatever, um,
18900:19:20SPEAKER_03But I wouldn't have gone banned.
19000:19:21SPEAKER_03But I would have been okay with it if he had not made that promise in the first place.
19100:19:27SPEAKER_03That's the only situation I can really think of or remember because that's what made me not base.
19200:19:36SPEAKER_03Basically, it made it so that I had no affiliation within the server and didn't know things from anything except from other people in the server.
19300:19:48SPEAKER_00Oh, I see.
19400:19:50SPEAKER_00So, another question would be, have you ever, like, looking back at it, have you noticed Daniel trying to manipulate you?
19500:20:00SPEAKER_00Or Stickman Dan?
19600:20:03SPEAKER_03Yeah.
19700:20:04SPEAKER_03Yeah, I would say I did, actually.
19800:20:07SPEAKER_03There were several times in VR chat that, you know, we were talking and he was doing his whole minister thing.
19900:20:15SPEAKER_03And...
20000:20:17SPEAKER_03He really, really, really wanted me to be convinced of the whole tongues thing and that he was right and that I was wrong.
20100:20:30SPEAKER_03I would I could try and think of some other things, but that's the thing that actually sticks out the most to me.
20200:20:37SPEAKER_03And it's also been shown to be a widespread problem in general.
20300:20:44SPEAKER_03considering everything I don't know if he's still going on about that but I'm assuming he has because that's that's what I heard um but yeah no uh essentially he was just trying to convince me to believe what he believed and one time he actually ended up basically snapping and got extremely angry at me for no real reason um
20400:21:13SPEAKER_03But yeah, that's all I can think of.
20500:21:17SPEAKER_00Could you go into more detail about why he snapped on you?
20600:21:24SPEAKER_03We were in VR chat.
20700:21:25SPEAKER_03It was one of those times where he was trying to convince people of the whole tongues thing.
20800:21:31SPEAKER_03He was trying to convince someone else and I was talking.
20900:21:36SPEAKER_03I think I was trying to get his attention or something.
21000:21:39SPEAKER_03And he did that.
21100:21:41SPEAKER_03And basically I wandered away afterwards and eventually he came back and it was after I had gone off.
21200:21:48SPEAKER_03He eventually told me he was sorry, but it didn't seem very sincere, to be honest with you.
21300:21:55SPEAKER_03But, you know, at the time, like I said, I thought it was.
21400:22:00SPEAKER_03But looking back at it, it doesn't it didn't feel very sincere at all.
21500:22:05SPEAKER_03Yeah.
21600:22:07SPEAKER_00So another thing I would ask is this would kind of tie into Stickman Dan's unwillingness to hear other people out who have a different opinion in terms of more like him having an issue with being questioned.
21700:22:31SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
21800:22:34SPEAKER_03Um...
21900:22:35SPEAKER_03So, what were you going to say?
22000:22:36SPEAKER_03Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
22100:22:38SPEAKER_03I was just saying, yeah, I remember.
22200:22:40SPEAKER_00So, are there any other instances that you can recall where Daniel really did not like being questioned?
22300:22:54SPEAKER_03It wasn't with me.
22400:22:56SPEAKER_03However, I was talking to Little Kitty.
22500:23:01SPEAKER_03I guess you would call him now.
22600:23:03SPEAKER_03And...
22700:23:05SPEAKER_03We were playing TF2.
22800:23:07SPEAKER_03I don't know why I vaguely or distinctly remember that, but he and I were playing TF2 and essentially he was talking about how Dan basically said that he didn't have enough faith because he didn't speak in tongues or pray in tongues and whatever.
22900:23:30SPEAKER_03He went on to talk more about that.
23000:23:34SPEAKER_03Unfortunately, I can't really think about what was in detail and everything.
23100:23:41SPEAKER_03But I do remember that basically Stickman told him that he did not have enough faith and that kind of thing because, you know, he didn't believe what Stickman believed.
23200:23:54SPEAKER_03This was close to the beginning of that whole tongues speaking in tongues and that kind of thing.
23300:24:03SPEAKER_03So, yeah.
23400:24:06SPEAKER_03That's the only other thing I can think of from that question.
23500:24:14SPEAKER_00I remember that, actually.
23600:24:16SPEAKER_03Yeah.
23700:24:18SPEAKER_00Yeah.
23800:24:19SPEAKER_00Okay, another thing.
23900:24:29SPEAKER_00The community around sick men dance.
24000:24:32SPEAKER_03i would ask is another one then another question right so the beauty around stickman has ever seemed odd to you like almost yeah yeah looking like um after you know i basically i guess you could say be i asked after i was disillusioned i don't like using that word because usually it's an atheist thing but um whatever um
24100:24:57SPEAKER_03after I blocked him finally, I had kind of noticed that, yeah, it was extremely cult-like because you couldn't really question him.
24200:25:07SPEAKER_03And if you did, like, not just Stickman, but most anyone who, you know, he had talked to would come and basically defend Stickman themselves and say...
24300:25:24SPEAKER_03that a person was wrong if they didn't believe what they and Stickman believed and what Stickman had taught.
24400:25:34SPEAKER_03And the other people on the staff team, I'm not going to say all of them because not all of them are bad, but several specific people were definitely, I guess you could say, zealous.
24500:25:48SPEAKER_03But unfortunately, I can't give specific names because I don't remember specifics.
24600:25:54SPEAKER_01unfortunately.
24700:26:02SPEAKER_00Yeah, so they were zealous in trying to protect Stickman Dan or defend him, come to his defense.
24800:26:09SPEAKER_03Yeah, and basically everything that Stickman taught, it was just very...
24900:26:17SPEAKER_03It was basically like a second cult, like I had said.
25000:26:23SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay.
25100:26:27SPEAKER_00Alright, let's have another question.
25200:26:30SPEAKER_00Moenbeck, if you have any questions you can ask, because right now I'm trying to think of another one.
25300:26:38SPEAKER_02Yeah, so...
25400:26:42SPEAKER_02Earlier, you had mentioned that Stickman Dan had prompt...
25500:26:48SPEAKER_02So you said that earlier that you had ERP'd with someone, and that Dan had decided to...
25600:26:54SPEAKER_02completely remove you from the server altogether.
25700:26:59SPEAKER_02Yeah.
25800:27:00SPEAKER_02Okay.
25900:27:01SPEAKER_02Was this before or after?
26000:27:03SPEAKER_02I'm assuming it's going to be after you had your, you and him had your disagreement with the tongues thing.
26100:27:16SPEAKER_03If you're talking about like after I, after I blocked him,
26200:27:23SPEAKER_03No, that was before.
26300:27:25SPEAKER_03I had actually stayed in contact with him a little bit afterwards.
26400:27:29SPEAKER_03But I had always disagreed with him, so kind of, depending on how you think about it.
26500:27:39SPEAKER_03But yeah, we had always disagreed on it, and I had always been verbal about that.
26600:27:47SPEAKER_02Okay.
26700:27:50SPEAKER_02So you disagreed with him on the tongues thing.
26800:27:52SPEAKER_02And then, so what, so you said that you blocked him.
26900:27:56SPEAKER_02What led you to blocking him?
27000:27:59SPEAKER_03Um, I believe it was, like I said, it was the tongues, but, um, it was basically me talking to Joe or little kitty.
27100:28:13SPEAKER_03Um, and he had just been treating him very wrong.
27200:28:21SPEAKER_03And.
27300:28:22SPEAKER_03basically gotten, I believe, I believe this is what I remember, like a lot more aggressive with like, you know, little kitty not having enough faith.
27400:28:35SPEAKER_03And also stick man had been getting more and more like pushy about it.
27500:28:43SPEAKER_03Oh, and preluding this Skittles, he and I had done it basically.
27600:28:50SPEAKER_03I was very upset about skills, you know, being able to have a server.
27700:28:55SPEAKER_03That's another thing that contributed to that.
27800:28:58SPEAKER_03But, um, basically that in skills led to me blocking him.
27900:29:06SPEAKER_03And, uh, yeah, uh, that's basically what it's.
28000:29:12SPEAKER_02And what was your position within the server at this time?
28100:29:17SPEAKER_03After, or like once I blocked him.
28200:29:20SPEAKER_02Yeah.
28300:29:20SPEAKER_02Once you blocked him, what was your position?
28400:29:23SPEAKER_03No, no.
28500:29:23SPEAKER_03I had blocked him after I had been banned from the surgery.
28600:29:27SPEAKER_02Okay.
28700:29:28SPEAKER_02So he, so he banned you and then he, and then you blocked him.
28800:29:33SPEAKER_03Yeah.
28900:29:33SPEAKER_03Eventually I eventually blocked him.
29000:29:35SPEAKER_03Okay.
29100:29:36SPEAKER_03Okay.
29200:29:36SPEAKER_03So, so what, so, okay.
29300:29:39SPEAKER_02So you and him had disagreements concerning, concerning the tongues thing and whatever else.
29400:29:47SPEAKER_02Right.
29500:29:47SPEAKER_02Yeah.
29600:29:49SPEAKER_02Okay, alright.
29700:29:50SPEAKER_02So, I'm assuming you brought these issues up with him.
29800:29:54SPEAKER_02Did you guys ever have any convos about that?
29900:29:58SPEAKER_03We had multiple conversations.
30000:30:02SPEAKER_03I don't know if we had it in DMs specifically.
30100:30:04SPEAKER_03I'm pretty sure we did, but I can't...
30200:30:07SPEAKER_03It would have been way before I got banned and I had blocked him.
30300:30:15SPEAKER_03Back whenever it was at the beginning.
30400:30:17SPEAKER_03Um...
30500:30:19SPEAKER_03Oh, and a little bit before I blocked him because, like I said, that's one of the reasons I did block him because, you know.
30600:30:27SPEAKER_03But, yeah, I had conversations with him mainly in VR chat because that's where he always was.
30700:30:33SPEAKER_03And I believe I even had a conversation with him when Woofer was there.
30800:30:38SPEAKER_03I don't know if you remember that or if I'm maybe remembering wrong, but I believe a couple of times I did talk to him in VR when Woofer was around.
30900:30:50SPEAKER_01I'm trying to collect my thoughts here on this.
31000:31:00SPEAKER_03That's fine, take your time.
31100:31:04SPEAKER_02So you and him had disagreements, right?
31200:31:07SPEAKER_02And after you had ERP'd with someone, he asked you, did he...
31300:31:15SPEAKER_03he promised you that he that you would you would step down from your position what position did you hold i i was a mod he didn't say that i would have to step down um that's the thing i said i would have understood if i had to step down um but he basically told me that i would not get banned and you know uh yeah um i was a mod i was just a mod um i don't think i had any
31400:31:44SPEAKER_03I did have a special role, but it was like...
31500:31:49SPEAKER_03I could not tell you the name of it.
31600:31:50SPEAKER_03It was just basically a mod.
31700:31:53SPEAKER_00You were a technician, if I'm right, weren't you?
31800:31:56SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31900:31:57SPEAKER_03I had mod abilities, though.
32000:32:00SPEAKER_03It was weird.
32100:32:02SPEAKER_03But yeah, I was a server technician, and I would make channels and stuff, and that sort of thing.
32200:32:09SPEAKER_03Okay.
32300:32:13SPEAKER_03Did...
32400:32:14SPEAKER_02So you said that after a while, it was that after the ban, you had blocked him after a while.
32500:32:22SPEAKER_02That was something that later on happened, right?
32600:32:24SPEAKER_03Yeah.
32700:32:25SPEAKER_03It was at least a couple of days.
32800:32:28SPEAKER_03Okay.
32900:32:30SPEAKER_03Yeah.
33000:32:31SPEAKER_02Okay.
33100:32:33SPEAKER_02Had you ever been... Did you hold any other position within the server?
33200:32:37SPEAKER_02Or was it just a mod?
33300:32:40SPEAKER_03I believe it was just a mod.
33400:32:42SPEAKER_03I don't...
33500:32:42SPEAKER_02think i ever got anything more than that but um yeah okay um interesting okay so so you had so you had i'm just i'm just reiterating um so you had issues where you guys had disagreements when it came to whatever yeah you voiced you you voiced your concerns um specifically regarding the tongues and the more universal leaning
33600:33:13SPEAKER_02the doctrine.
33700:33:16SPEAKER_01And I'm assuming he didn't like that.
33800:33:22SPEAKER_03No, no, he did not.
33900:33:24SPEAKER_03It was a...
34000:33:27SPEAKER_03He wouldn't, like, you know, most of the time with me, he wouldn't, like, get angry or anything or say that I didn't have enough faith.
34100:33:35SPEAKER_03I think it was mostly because...
34200:33:38SPEAKER_03I wouldn't have taken it, mostly.
34300:33:41SPEAKER_03I'm stubborn, I guess you could say.
34400:33:43SPEAKER_03But, you know, he knew that would not have worked on me.
34500:33:48SPEAKER_03Like calling me low of faith or whatever.
34600:33:53SPEAKER_03Because I have my reasons, obviously.
34700:33:56SPEAKER_03I'm close to God.
34800:34:00SPEAKER_03Yeah, he did not like that.
34900:34:06SPEAKER_03He really...
35000:34:09SPEAKER_03I would, I think he would kind of be like dismissive, like trying to sideline, is that the right term?
35100:34:20SPEAKER_03Sideline the subject.
35200:34:21SPEAKER_03Oh, sidetrack.
35300:34:22SPEAKER_00Try to avoid it.
35400:34:24SPEAKER_00Yeah.
35500:34:25SPEAKER_00There we go.
35600:34:25SPEAKER_00Avoid the subject.
35700:34:27SPEAKER_03Basically, he would try to subvert it into another conversation or whatever.
35800:34:32SPEAKER_03But yeah, yeah.
35900:34:33SPEAKER_03He did that with me and other people.
36000:34:36SPEAKER_03I remember people talking about how he would do that with them.
36100:34:40SPEAKER_03Specific people, like I said, I can't tell you, but yeah.
36200:34:46SPEAKER_02Hmm.
36300:34:49SPEAKER_02Since you were a mod, did you ever observe anybody else getting banned over something like that?
36400:35:00SPEAKER_03um for erp yeah i mean okay the guy that i did that with yeah so uh and but um he got banned as well but outside of that yeah yeah i was i was i was just wanting to specify that that guy actually did get banned um but he had a lot of issues in the first place um
36500:35:26SPEAKER_03Maybe I think I remember at least one other person getting banned.
36600:35:31SPEAKER_03But I also know that several people who should have been who were blatantly like homosexual and were proud about it, among other things, and did ERP with other members in the server.
36700:35:47SPEAKER_03That like they were allowed in to stay there.
36800:35:54SPEAKER_03And I believe.
36900:35:56SPEAKER_03there was like one other person.
37000:35:58SPEAKER_03I don't know who it was.
37100:35:59SPEAKER_03I never got to the bottom of it, but they were also, this said person was ERPing with someone else in the server.
37200:36:07SPEAKER_03But I never got to figure out who either one of them were because I had heard about that a couple of days before I got banned.
37300:36:16SPEAKER_02So that's, that's interesting.
37400:36:17SPEAKER_02So you said that there were people that were openly homosexual within the server.
37500:36:23SPEAKER_03Yeah.
37600:36:23SPEAKER_03Yeah.
37700:36:24SPEAKER_03um okay they might not be like you know but yeah yeah they were basically they they had gay things in their profile and that sort of thing um so it was obvious that they were homosexual yeah yeah yeah um and yeah it was basically that way yeah okay um hmm so uh besides
37800:36:54SPEAKER_02Because it seems from my end that you ERP'd once with someone.
37900:37:03SPEAKER_02You got caught.
38000:37:08SPEAKER_03I did not get caught.
38100:37:10SPEAKER_03I admitted to it to Stickman in private.
38200:37:15SPEAKER_02Wait, hold on.
38300:37:15SPEAKER_02You admitted this to him in private?
38400:37:18SPEAKER_03Yeah.
38500:37:20SPEAKER_03I had...
38600:37:21SPEAKER_03Okay, so essentially what happened, I'll go over the whole situation.
38700:37:25SPEAKER_03I'll try and make it right as possible.
38800:37:28SPEAKER_03I had done that with that guy that we're talking about that who got banned.
38900:37:37SPEAKER_03He and I did that a couple days before something else happened.
39000:37:42SPEAKER_03Like I kind of mentioned on it before, but I kind of also brushed off.
39100:37:47SPEAKER_03I had done it with someone else a couple of days after and told stick man about that time.
39200:37:54SPEAKER_03And then later remembering, I told him about the time before that.
39300:37:57SPEAKER_03And I still, he still promised me I wouldn't get banned and stuff.
39400:38:01SPEAKER_03But essentially, um, the reason that I was okay with the second guy was because, you know, we had made up and I was not going to do it again and such.
39500:38:10SPEAKER_03Um, but I will say he actually basically got no punish for it.
39600:38:16SPEAKER_03Punishment for it.
39700:38:18SPEAKER_03Um, yeah.
39800:38:20SPEAKER_03Also, the said person is guard dog.
39900:38:25SPEAKER_03Um, who is a friend of skills.
40000:38:29SPEAKER_03Um, but yeah, yeah.
40100:38:31SPEAKER_03Uh, I had done it with two people.
40200:38:33SPEAKER_03I had come to stick man about it privately.
40300:38:36SPEAKER_03Um, second time was the first time I admitted.
40400:38:40SPEAKER_03And then I remembered cause I had actually somehow forgotten, uh, about the time I did it with the guy who got banned.
40500:38:47SPEAKER_03Um,
40600:38:48SPEAKER_03then i told him about that time and because you know i had forgotten and i trusted him and i was like i did this uh uh i still am holding that promise i made to you basically not erping with anyone else and yeah uh you know that's where thing hmm i have to admit i'm shocked um
40700:39:18SPEAKER_02About which server?
40800:39:19SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, this...
40900:39:22SPEAKER_02So, okay, hold on.
41000:39:25SPEAKER_02Because we're doing this.
41100:39:27SPEAKER_02This is your testimony.
41200:39:28SPEAKER_02But would you say that you were treated unfairly in that?
41300:39:36SPEAKER_01Honestly, I would kind of say...
41400:39:38SPEAKER_02Comparatively to everyone else on the server.
41500:39:44SPEAKER_03I would kind of say yeah, in a way.
41600:39:49SPEAKER_03Especially like when it came to me versus daughter Doug, I mean I You know, I came to a stick man about it.
41700:39:55SPEAKER_03Yeah, I did it with did ERP with two people But I stick man had promised me and you know, I I was gonna stick to that promise but um Guard dog did not like I said get any punishment um At least from my knowledge.
41800:40:14SPEAKER_03I don't but he was still in the server whenever I got banned um
41900:40:19SPEAKER_03That one other guy did get banned.
42000:40:21SPEAKER_03But he had a bunch of issues with him.
42100:40:25SPEAKER_03He was a... Yeah, I'm not going to go into it.
42200:40:29SPEAKER_03But yeah, no.
42300:40:32SPEAKER_03He had issues.
42400:40:33SPEAKER_03A lot more issues than I would say I had.
42500:40:38SPEAKER_03And so, yeah.
42600:40:39SPEAKER_03I would say I was at least somewhat treated differently.
42700:40:44SPEAKER_03Oh.
42800:40:47SPEAKER_03And not even...
42900:40:49SPEAKER_03I would say I was more mistreated by a certain staff member who was basically... What's his name?
43000:40:58SPEAKER_03What is his name?
43100:40:59SPEAKER_03He was a circle.
43200:41:04SPEAKER_03A circle...
43300:41:05SPEAKER_03It was a guy who was in his 30s and his Sona had...
43400:41:15SPEAKER_03What I can only describe as thigh highs.
43500:41:20SPEAKER_03But yeah.
43600:41:21SPEAKER_03He did not like me.
43700:41:22SPEAKER_03At least that's what it felt like.
43800:41:24SPEAKER_03Very much so.
43900:41:28SPEAKER_01But yeah.
44000:41:29SPEAKER_01I do think I was mistreated a bit.
44100:41:38SPEAKER_01Okay.
44200:41:39SPEAKER_01So.
44300:41:40SPEAKER_01The reason.
44400:41:42SPEAKER_02Do you think that there was any connection.
44500:41:45SPEAKER_02between you and Dan's disagreements in your ban, and maybe not necessarily being so much focused on the fact that you messed up, but instead more on the fact that Dan was just looking for a reason to ban you?
44600:42:03SPEAKER_03Honestly, possibly.
44700:42:04SPEAKER_03I'm not able to confirm it, obviously, but it does kind of feel like that, considering...
44800:42:13SPEAKER_03no one really was able to ban me besides him from my understanding.
44900:42:18SPEAKER_03And so I'm believe he had to have banned me and, you know, uh, that's just, uh, contradictory to what he said he was going to do.
45000:42:30SPEAKER_03And, you know, that sort of thing.
45100:42:33SPEAKER_03Okay.
45200:42:35SPEAKER_02And just for clarification, um,
45300:42:39SPEAKER_02Besides the two points that we had mentioned, which was you and him disagreeing and the mistake you made, would there have been any other reason for him to ban you?
45400:42:51SPEAKER_03I can't remember.
45500:42:53SPEAKER_03I don't want to say anything without being sure, because I'm sure about these things, at least for the most part.
45600:43:00SPEAKER_03I can't really remember anything else besides...
45700:43:07SPEAKER_03Besides maybe with the fact that... Yeah, no, I really can't think of anything.
45800:43:16SPEAKER_03Yeah.
45900:43:20SPEAKER_03Besides maybe affiliating with other people who did not like the whole thing he was doing.
46000:43:29SPEAKER_03That could be another thing.
46100:43:31SPEAKER_03That's interesting.
46200:43:32SPEAKER_01So...
46300:43:39SPEAKER_02So when you say the people you are affiliated with, those are people who also had disagreements with Dan.
46400:43:44SPEAKER_03Yeah.
46500:43:47SPEAKER_03Well, obviously, Woofer.
46600:43:51SPEAKER_03Woofer, you're one of them.
46700:43:53SPEAKER_03Yeah, I am.
46800:43:56SPEAKER_03Little Kitty.
46900:43:56SPEAKER_03I would say Bell.
47000:44:03SPEAKER_03I wasn't really friends with him, but Bell definitely disagrees with Dan.
47100:44:08SPEAKER_03obvious reasons and honestly I I have lost contact with some well not really lost I just haven't talked to him but there are other people who did not agree with Dan who I was in contact more so with back then okay
47200:44:45SPEAKER_02So then, would you be of the opinion that Dan seemingly more or less banned people, not only based off of them breaking whatever server rules they had in place, but he also seemingly banned people that disagreed with him?
47300:45:05SPEAKER_03It's definitely a potential thing that happened.
47400:45:09SPEAKER_03I'm not going to say yes, because...
47500:45:12SPEAKER_02I'm asking for your opinion.
47600:45:14SPEAKER_02Remember, this is your test.
47700:45:16SPEAKER_03That's what I'm saying.
47800:45:17SPEAKER_03I'm saying I cannot know, but in my opinion, yes, I believe he probably did.
47900:45:22SPEAKER_02All right.
48000:45:24SPEAKER_02Well, I have no further questions.
48100:45:30SPEAKER_00Yeah.
48200:45:30SPEAKER_00I don't have any more either.
48300:45:33SPEAKER_02Cool.
48400:45:33SPEAKER_02All right.
48500:45:34SPEAKER_02Well, I'm going.
48600:45:35SPEAKER_02So, yeah, I guess go ahead and I guess end the end of the recording.
48700:45:38SPEAKER_02All right.
48800:45:40SPEAKER_02Yeah.
48900:45:40SPEAKER_02Thank you very much for for for being very willing.
49000:45:44SPEAKER_03what you told us it's not a problem i just uh oh it's been so long since i thought of this whole thing and i wish i could remember more but you know it i've moved on i guess you could say um
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