Dan's Conversations with Kans¶
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StickManDan
So... woofer has blocked me.
I am not afraid to talk but he is.
Skittles/Aether is more of a threat and an actual predator than myself but target me? I offered to give him screenshots to actually target an actual
faith threat but he didnt even respond to the offer.
I am sharing this with you to consider where this is going.
I feel Like I Literally just exist and it bothers woofer at this point...
Kaoeaou PRAY
I believe there's more to it. An accountability issue and status. In response to Neil's stay at FCA as well as how he was handle and hyper
charismaticism. <— This would include Noah. He's bothered because of your past mistakes, despite you giving up Leadership, it's not safe enough to say
if those mistakes arent still being made. Especially because the moderation of Metanoia with a member from the group coming to LF and swearing the
N word in vc and constant swearing in Metanoia events from new believers or non believers. There's a Lack of correctness going on. Not in a strict
manner, but a respectful assertion to not swear within fellowship.
There's more reason, but these are many of the main. I need to get ready for school.
You're arent a predator.
Kaneam_] PRAY
believe there's more to it An accountability issue and statue In response to Neil's stay at FCA as well as how he was handle and hyper charismaticisrn
StickManDan
And woofer cant say these things to me? This is only going to Lead to slander, gossip and rumors.
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You're aren't a predator
Kaoeaou PRAY
But you made the mistake of allowing Neil into FCA and do their worst.
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I already repented of this failure.
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StickManDan 'YHWH
And woofer cant say these things to me? This is only going to lead to slander gossip and rumore
Kaoeaou PRAY
Rumors are unreliable information; no proof or evidence in the claim. He haves a Lot to say.
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Rumors are unreliable information; no prcof or evidence in the clairn He haves a lot to say
StickManDan
And says nothing to me.
He's also not gossiping; he's bringing up his concerns to a moderation team about your actions. He's Legitimately reporting you.
ALL may seem the total opposite because you know it will have affect onto you.
It will hold you accountable. That's what sounds so bad about it.
Slander would also be false Dan, because I'm part of the evidence.
I really don't know much about how to explain to you because I know it's not going to feel great on your end. But I wont block you.
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It will hold you accountabla That's what sounds SD bad about it
StickManDan
I already took accountability..
Kaoeaou PRAY
Again, I don't know how to explain to you.
He's also not gossiping he's bringing up his concerns to a moderation team about your actione He's legitimately reporting
Its gossiping cause he's not talking to me who has all the information. One side is told and the other is ignored... and so he intends to talk to everyone
about me, thinking he knows all about it...
He gossipped with his pastor. His pastor sided with him. That's as far as I can see about these things...
its just sad. ALL of this is sad.
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Kaoeaou PRAY
It's more of because, he has spoken to you, it's just that you rejected him of false claim. Just as you did earlier.
It's not Gossip.
It's a simple act of revolt against accountability.
Because you don't want to go through it again.
Kaneam_] PRAY
It's more Df because, he has spoken to you, it's just that you rejected him Df false clairn Just as you did earlier
StickManDan
What false claim?
Kaoeaou PRAY
6:43 AM
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Dont avoid it. You just made the claim of him slandering you; meaning he's making a false claim that would
ruin your reputation.
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You know exactly what I'm talking about Don't avoid it You just made the claim Df him slandering you; meaning he's making a false claim that would ruin _
StickManDan
I am asking the false claim that I rejected at this point.
Kaoeaou PRAY
I would have to ask him, but he has told me that he has came up to you before about this situation. Isnt that true?
believe there's more to it An accountability issue and statue In response to Neil's stay at FCA as well as how he was handle and hyper charismaticisrn
I did allow Neil into FCA. I said that was wrong. I didnt deny that. What is hyper charismaticism?
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would have to ask him, but he has told me that he has came up to you before about this situation Isn't that true?
StickManDan
He came, accusing and then not talking to me.
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Kaoeaou PRAY
Examples of what Panda taught which is unbiblical.
Some spiritual gifts the Bible doesn't talk about at all.
Believing scripture is incomplete.
And there's more outside the Bible.
The courtroom of heaven.
Kaneam_] PRAY
Some spiritual gifts the Bible doesn't talk about at alt
StickManDan
6:48 AM
That's fine. I get it.
. I dont parrot a Lot of what Panda said and panda isnt in any Leadership position.
Kaoeaou PRAY
However the thing is back then, you allowed it, because in the past, you were convinced, yes? Even recommending him to me.
Kaneam_] PRAY
However the thing is back then, you allowed it, because in the past, you were convinced, yes? Even recommending him to ma
StickManDan
Sure. Yes.
Yes, no it's very true. Allowing him to preach his beliefs did in fact impact the community with people starting to hold the belief of welding these,
spiritual gifts. Do you see what's going on here?
Loving Faith in fact had to address this to people coming to the events with these claims.
Claims of having these unbiblical gifts.
And no this is not about tongues. Tongues is in the Bible.
StickManDan
I get it. This is the first time I have actually heard this as a major issue with me.
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Kaoeaou PRAY
Yeah, and we know Noah. We thought he knew everything.
Woofer wants to hold you accountable for not addressing Panda, and yet today we don't know how many people believe Panda. But if I recall, there was
I cant do much for you Dan. I know it's very unfortunate on your end.
StickManDan
I dont know what to say atm.
. Like... thank you for actually talking about this. But what is the solution then?
Kaoeaou PRAY
However woofer had asked me things that are true about you. So I can guaranteed to you that nothing false will be said about you. And if I to hear
about a false claim being made I will correct him.
Majority of the issues coming on Pandas side.
StickManDan
Yes, but it's also excluding talking to me at all. I am really glad to hear about these things finally.
I'm sorry about that and I will talk to him about it.
But twvo, don't go to an immediate claim of something being slandered if there's evidence. Like I said I will tell you if your are being slandered. I will talk
to him too about it.
Because that right there, would be unbiblical.
I understand you may disagree about the importance of accountability, I understand. But there's nothing much I can do about it. Simply because all the
information provided is true. I know it sucks, but this doesn't mean I'm going to throw you out the window and block you. That's not what I do.
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understand you may disagree about the importance Df accountability, understanc[ But there's nothing much can do about it Simply because all the i__
StickManDan
What is the accountability wanted? Just have woofer watch us in Metanoia and allow for it?
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Kaoeaou PRAY
Again, I cant say much about it because I'm Learning about it. But from what understand, it's more of, "Dan is not fit for ministering"
Kaneam_] PRAY
Ågain, can't say much about it because I'm learning about it But from what understand, it's more DfI "Dan is not fit for ministering"
StickManDan
Just... Wow... cool... that's just awesome. The plan is to stop me from spreading the Gospel and ministering to people.
Again, it's an addressing error. If someone was to say we have faith by doing works, would you correct them on their understanding of the gospel?
Ågain, it's an addressing error If someone was to say we have faith by doing works, would you correct them on their understanding Df the gospel?
You arent addressing error when you dont talk to me about the error.
Kaoeaou PRAY
No, I'm talking about you
StickManDan
We talked about tongues.
No hold on
I'm saying, do you address people on their understanding of the gospel when it doesn't align.
Or is it simply ignored and said, "only faith matters so they are fine"
If they know Jesus, they are fine.
Do you see what I'm saying?
These are real things by the way that happened with you.
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Kaneam_] PRAY
If they know Jesus, they are fina
StickManDan
If they say they need Jesus for salvation.
Kaoeaou PRAY
0k, so if someone says that but adds on, but we also need to work for our faith to have faith in Jesus. Is that biblical?
0k, SD if someone says that but adds on, but we also need to work for our faith to have faith in Jesue Is that biblical?
No it's not biblical.
That's correct, also because faith; is complete trust and reliance on something.
So even the idea of it doesn't make sense. Two red flags in one.
This is the teaching of orthodoxy by the way. Now, does this mean this is certainly all orthodox, no, because there are some who do not believe that
StickManDan
Here's a thought though...
if you were to ask them about who they think Jesus is, would they have the same statements that we do?
Granted maybe it's not cared about but I think it's harder to believe who Jesus is, more than anything.
And what He did.
Kaoeaou PRAY
Well we can already insert that into our conversation. But it's not about us claiming we know. But rather He knows why we know.
Could someone who claims they know truly mean that if they follow a teaching the contradicts that claim?
Do you see why this is still a red flag?
Because where is that reliance going?
Is it going on the death of Jesus? Or I need to do works to have faith for what Jesus has done?
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I am Low on time, I have to get to school. But if you are trying to work around the twvo answers I proposed, I'm going to repeat the question with you.
Kaneam_] PRAY
Is it going on the death Df Jesus? Or need to do works to have faith for what Jesus has done?
StickManDan
I understand the concern. But if people are mistaken about this, but still are trusting Jesus in some capacity, that is good. If God doesnt have mercy
on them because they mistaken their work as part of salvation but are still trusting the sacrifice for forgiveness of their sins I would be sad, do you
think because of faulty beliefs but trust in Jesus, they are going to Hell? I dont teach that faith plus works for salvation is good or okay. I will speak on
it, disagree if it comes up, but focus on making sure they are trusting Jesus for forgiveness of sins at Least, however they make weird statements after.
because for the core beliefs, you could go round and round and get no where cause you are trying to change their entire denomination in some
cases. I share the Biblical gospel in front of them, without an argument, to the Lost. It is wonderful and good in this aspect. They watch as Lost people
are full of joy, in tears at times because of what is preached in front of them. I go about this correction by allowing them to hear and see the work of
God in their midst.
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understand the concern But if people are mistaken about this, but still are trusting Jesus in some capacity, that is gcoc[ If God doesnt have merc__
Kaoeaou PRAY
0k and that's great. The hard truth though about this is yes, they Lose salvation as it's said they will be turned away from Jesus. But for what reason?
Faith. Did they have their faith on Jesus? Or their work?
Kaneam_] PRAY
0k and that's great The hard truth though about this is yes, they lose salvation as it's said they will be turned away from Jesue But for what reason? Fa_
StickManDan
I disagree with condemning them.
Kaoeaou PRAY
This is no hand slap to the face Dan, this is a real situation.
I condemn the teaching.
Not th em.
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Kaoeaou PRAY
0k so you would tell them what they follow is incorrect?
StickManDan
Yes
Okay so then you are condemning them.
No.
Yes. It really is.
If you werent, you wouldn't deny the teaching.
Romans 10:6-11
6But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?"' (that is, to bring Christ down)
7"or 'Who will descend into the abyss?"' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
IOFor with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
1 IFor the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
Kaoeaou PRAY
0k, did I say they are going to hell? Or did I say they are not saved?
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naoeaou PRAY
0k, did I say they are going to hell? Or did I say they are not saved?
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0k, did say they are going to hell? Or did say they are not saved?
StickManDan
Same difference.
Kaoeaou PRAY
No, because going to hell is the choice of final judgement.
Being saved is being saved from final judgement.
This is where we disagree.
I dont know what to tell you right now. I dont agree with what woofer does with our Catholics and orthodox brothers who believe in Jesus and trust
Him.
0k but what did I tell you earlier.
Did I say all orthodox are not saved?
StickManDan
Nor what you are saying right now. We preach the same Gospel, but how we treat them isnt right in my opinion.
Kaoeaou PRAY
It isn't what you think is right, it's what God thinks. That's where you are wrong.
That is the exact reason why they don't want you ministering.
Cause I dont do it Like woofer and Joe and now you apparently
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Kaoeaou PRAY
That's where you are wrong once again.
StickManDan
Or needgod.net, ect...
Again, you are relying on what feels good to you. Not what scripture says about it.
I'm not saying we should go to the orthodox and ban them from a community for having the wrong beliefs.
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It isn't what you think is right it's what God thinke That's where you are wrong
So you think God wants division amongst believers because of the way we say things, though we have the same Lord and Savior?
Kaoeaou PRAY
That's the same weaponized rhetoric you've been using for the past years. If you don't divide wolves, the wolves divide the rest from God.
That's the hard truth Dan.
StickManDan
And who are the wolves?
False teachers
And where are they?
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Kaoeaou PRAY
To anyone who teaches a false gospel.
That's who they are.
Now I see, woofer has every right reason to report you.
Sorry Dan, but I'm allowing it to go through.
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That's the same weaponized rh etoric you've been using for the past yeare If you don't divide wolves, the wolves divide the rest from God
StickManDan
Is those who call Jesus Lord and Savior, who trust His teachings and what He did on the cross, are they not believers?
Kaoeaou PRAY
I hope you repent of this.
Bro, we preach the same Gospel...
I correct it as well, but not to the severity that woofer does.
Or Joe... ect
0k, well you need to realize, we all don't share the blunt tone as he does. He knows he's not good at delivering a message.
You see, you're so biased about woofer, when anyone shares the same idea as he does, you think we are going to scold at people as he does for the
wrong belief.
You need to open your eyes Dan. That's the main issue about you.
StickManDan
Open my eyes to what? Condemn our brothers and sisters in Christ, cause they have not exact wording or theology?
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Kaoeaou PRAY
It's not just about addressing the wrong belief, it's addressing what's a salvific issue.
They arent brothers if they arent saved.
That's the hard truth.
I'm Literally going over the same things you've done with them. It's a simple feel over scripture issue.
I really do encourage you open your view. You're so dimmed on woofer because of what he's doing to you.
StickManDan
This rhetoric is insane to me. Do you think God is really Like this? Is this what He does? No perfect theology about Jesus's sacrifice yet, so you're not
saved and if you die, you will go to Hell?
Kaoeaou PRAY
That's why you are upset about all of this.
There we go, question God's judgement.
Kaneam_] PRAY
There we go, question God's judgement
StickManDan
You think you know God's judgement.
Kaoeaou PRAY
No, not me, you.
You think you know.
And you think you know.
No I don't, I align what scripture says. You align what you feel.
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What if they are brothers and sisters in God's eyes yet you say they are not siblings.
Kaoeaou PRAY
Then I will correct myself, however scripture says who are brothers are. Not us.
We arent really getting anywhere with this either.
You've been emotional this whole argument.
StickManDan
John 1:12-13
12But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
You dont know my emotions.
Kaoeaou PRAY
But of God
You don't even know the context of scripture
StickManDan
I know plenty.
No, you don't. And it's sad. Really.
I dont say you dont know context of Scripture.
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Kaoeaou PRAY
Because I study before I assume.
In fact I don't assume
I ask questions
I ask a pastor
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ND, you don't And it's sacl Really
StickManDan
Now that's a devolving of conversation right there.
Kaoeaou PRAY
You've devolved it to begin with
ALL started with woofer
No.
Yes you did
Your heavily biased on Woofer
StickManDan
And he's heavily biased on me.
Kaoeaou PRAY
No, he's concerned on your misunderstanding of scripture
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StickManDan
Woofer has done nothing when it comes to talking.
Kaoeaou PRAY
And so am I
I dont misunderstand. I know how amazing and merciful and gracious God is.
According to Scripture and His character.
And having this whole disagreement because of woofer? Dan, this is bad.
StickManDan
I am zealous, cause this is against God's character. Who He is and how He understands us and our struggles.
Kaoeaou PRAY
No you are zealous because it's against your will
Prove that.
Gods will is unity in the body of Christ.
And the unity of the body of Christ are those who put full trust in him
Not works Dan
How much more do we need to go on about this, or do I need to wait until next class?
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And the unity of the bcdy Df Christ are those who put full trust in him
StickManDan
God bless you Kans. You parrot needgod.net. the hardest thing to believe is that Jesus is God and that He came down to die for our sins and that He
rose from the dead.
Kaoeaou PRAY
I don't read needgod.net, I read scripture.
I didn't even know about it until now.
Good. Same. We have different ways of understanding it, but we agree on the Gospel. Praise the Lord.
Do you see how biased you are?
This conversation will no Longer further continue because I have to get to class.
Goodbye Dan.
StickManDan
Take care.
Kaoeaou PRAY
Take care as well.
Praying for this whole thing...
I will too.
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KaDS da goy AKA
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this whole conversation was dead
and he was getting emotional. you can see it because his tone gets more blunt and he starts throwing in biased accusations and assertions
He thought I use a website i never even heard of
goy • PRAY
12:32 PM
can you point out any wrongs?
iWoofer
nah he was calling u a parrot of a youtuber that teaches what we believe
No idea, can u point out my wrongs?
I dont see u say anything wrong
goy • PRAY
12:32 PM
no, because you follow scripture
iWoofer
kinda, i was a lil emotional
he keeps making the claim that we all use websites for our understanding
12:33 PM
Smhing my head
do goy • PRAY
12:35 PM
This whole conversation felt like a joke. Next time though I will pull up scripture though. I feel like that wont do much to get anywhere. Butfrom the common sense of
biblical understanding, I knew he was wrong.
iWoofer
the goal is to show you what Scripture teaches