Belcanto and Dan DMs (Aug 9-15, 2025)¶
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After Lex told me Dan knew more about higher level than he had let on, I confronted Dan myself.
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4:51
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
5/15/25, 11:59 AM
I need to ask you something.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
5/15/25, 12:11 PM
sure
5/15/25, 12:17 PM
Did you know that Higherlevel had a past of
pedophilic stuff?
@Babybel Original Cheese
Did you know that
Higherlevel had a past of pedophilic stuff?
StickManDan 4 YHWH
5/15/25, 12:31 PM
he cuddled with a minor. he has done no erp
with any minors. not even kans. rumors
spread like wild fire. we can still keep him out
if we want but I gained the truth completely
thru last night and this morning. kans is in this
state because of what the communities did
with this and he blames himself for it. this is a
sad state of affairs. we could make a
statement if we want. there is no screenshots
about kans. maybe lex has something. but I
have seen nothing screenshots wise as
evidence of it. the incident with djay might
have been worse than with kans.
rumors and the telephone game.
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4:51
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
5/15/25, 12:44 PM
Kans is a kid.
So is D-Jay.
If Higherlevel told you it was "just cuddling"
why should we trust that?
He's done this stuff before, and it was much
worse.
StickManDan YHWH
5/15/25, 2:12 PM
What was much worse?
If you have more info, feel free to share.
Babybel Original Cheese
5/15/25, 2:13 PM
According to you, bruh.
@Babybel Original Cheese
According to you,
bruh.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
5/15/25, 2:19 PM
I understand... There was no way I was going
to still let him back at this point, just... Yeah.
Babybel Original Cheese
The problem is you LET him back in when you
knew. I am honestly so angry about it.
5/15/25, 9:11 PM
Personally, I think the apology is owed to the
server, not to me.
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My (Belcanto) experience with Dan.
2025
Babybel Original Cheese
Such a gracious man you are.
All of this transpired shortly after I was removed
from my position as FCA co-owner, and Whiplash
was made owner of the server.
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4:38
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
8/9/25, 5:03 PM
It is clear to me that you never really valued
my opinion on any decisions that were going to
be made regarding the server: you obviously
only wanted me around for the sake of having
a familiar face in the community for its early
days. Your decision to ignore my thoughts on
practically every issue has made that clear.
You claimed you wanted more of a friendship
with me, yet you never bothered to even try.
Everything you've said has been obvious
platitudes, and you've wanted me out of the
server since the higher level situation because
I am the only one who decided to try and hold
you accountable. Your decisions as a leader
have been shameful, and whiplash's continued
endorsement of your decisions makes him
equally guilty.
I will not work with either of you two ever
again.
You have done absolutely nothing but serve
yourself and evade blame regarding the issues
in fca, and my removal is proof of that.
The way you act now is no different than what
skittles did in December.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/9/25, 5:14 PM
Don't bother responding, I don't expect you.$p
anyways.
Message @Stick...
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4:38
StickManDan
Babybel Original Cheese
Step down yet? Or are
you still playing at being a spiritual leader?
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 1:24 PM
I have stepped down from leadership today. I
will still server but no longer owner.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 1:59 PM
Who did you make the owner?
If it was whiplash, then you clearly have not
learned your lesson.
If it was whiplash, then
you clearly have not learned your lesson.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:10 PM
Thankfully I didn't do what I did, to please you.
I am sorry for how you felt I treated you. The
things you said about me, are not accurate,
nor my intentions for why I kept you. I wasn't
meant to be the leader of the server. I was the
best option at the time but I am no longer the
best option. Anyways, it is no longer in my
hands in this way. I will be able to fully serve
one on one like I used to do and did well.
Serving Christ as my top priority as He has
always been from the beginning of these
things.
Love you Belcanto, even if you don't believeüt.
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4:38
StickManDan
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:21 PM
Bruh don't give me that fake crap.
(edited)
So it is whiplash.
Which means you lied to me, and the server is
going to continue to suffer from the bad
leadership that plagues it.
1m not looking to be pleased, im looking for you
to actually follow what scripture tells us.
But apparently that's too much to ask from
you OR whiplash.
Even now you run from accountability.
Shame on you.
"Sorry for how you felt I treated you".
Could you be more manipulative??
Babybel Original Cheese
Even now you run from
accountability.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:34 PM
I am not running from accountability. I have
been held accountable already and with what I
am doing here, I am holding myself
accountable by giving up the server. I don't
know what you are hoping for, or even what
you want anymore. Focus on God's love for
you through Jesus and seek to live the way He
calls you to live. I don't have much
more to say on the matter.
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4:38
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:37 PM
/ Whiplash stood by you when the higher level
situation happened, and he stands by the Igbt
policy. He is just as compromised as you.
You should've picked someone who doesn't
just side with all the ridiculous crap you've
pulled.
Babybel Original Cheese
You should've picked
someone who doesn't just side with all the ridiculo...
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:47 PM
You don't understand nor care to understand
what I do for others and that's fine. Just pray
for us and the server, that God's will be done
and He blesses the server, that many will come
to know Christ and grow in their faith.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:47 PM
That is a prideful way to view yourself.
That is a prideful way
to view yourself.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:48 PM
I am flawed and I admitted my faults already.
We disagree on how the server should be run
and that's okay.
we alsagree on now
tne server snoul
a run
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4:39
StickManDan
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:49 PM
/ I can think of at least five people who have
served the Christian fur community 100 times
better than you, and you'd probably scoff at
each of them.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:51 PM
Eh... I don't look at what others do and look
down on them... I am even appreciative of the
work you have done as well.
I understand your mad. I'll stop talking for
now. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:54 PM
You cannot even begin to comprehend it.
It's more than a simple disagreement, you have
gone out of your way to make the server
unsafe.
You and whiplash are both culpable of the
abuse that transpires of this. (edited)
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4:39
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese You and whiplash are
both culpable of the abuse that transpires of this.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:56 PM
By your view. You assume that we won't
moderate anyone, when we will continue to.
We have already done several moderations of
varying degrees.
Sure... if anything happens and we know
about it and do nothing, I agree.
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Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:57 PM
You literally made it easier for predators to
find targets.
You can't ever full proof the internet, but holy
crap SOME kind of regulation is better than
the crap you two pulled.
Babybel Original Cheese
You can't ever full proof
the internet, but holy crap SOME kind of regulation...
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:58 PM
There is still regulation.
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Babybel Original Cheese
I even offered a compromise, but you two in
your foolishness decided to ignore it.
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4:39
StickManDan
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StickManDan 4 YHWH There is still regulation.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:58 PM
The regulation being "if we find out about it we
will ban the victim and the offender."
Babybel Original Cheese The regulation being "if
we find out about it we will ban the victim and the .
StickManDan 4 YHWH
Which was always the policy as is.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:59 PM
Yeah, because victims of sexual abuse deserve
the ban.
Perhaps not the victim depending on
circumstances
I guess your evangelism only applies to
offenders?
StickManDan 'YHWH Perhaps not the victim
depending on circumstances
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 2:59 PM
Yeah, like when you banned DJ and proceeded
Babybel Original
Cheese
to victim blame him?
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4:39
StickManDan
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StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 2:59 PM
I help all come to Christ.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:00 PM
No you don't.
Yeah, like when you
banned DJ and proceeded to victim blame him?
StickManDan 4 YHWH
By his own testimony he looked for older
people to do it with.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:00 PM
Oh, so we just ban that 13 year old who is likely
doing this because he was groomed
previously?
Higher Level is an adult, DJ is 13.
Oh, so we just ban that
13 year old who is likely doing this because he was ...
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:01 PM
The reason why he was doing it is irrelevant to
the fact that he did it. Hopefully he has
ceased since then.
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4:39
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:01 PM
Broooooo.
You literally sent him off when he needed
guidance.
How're you going to act like you're doing this
for Christ when you're gatekeeping
evangelism?
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:03 PM
He got his guidance outside the server.
Babybel Original Cheese
How do you know that?
How're you going to act
like you're doing this for Christ when you're ...
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:03 PM
The irony of this statement is...
I am going to
spend time with my family
StickManDan 4 YHWH The irony of this
I am going to spend time with my .
statement is...
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:04 PM
1m not gatekeeping evangelism, I am saying
you have to have rules that protect your
members.
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4:39
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
1m not gatekeeping
evangelism, I am saying you have to have rules that .
StickManDan YHWH
8/10/25, 3:04 PM
And we do.
1m not claiming to be the one who's "all for
Christ, all for evangelism"
You're the one making that claim, and yet you
gate keep it.
Babybel Original Cheese
You're the one making
that claim, and yet you gate keep it.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:06 PM
I do not. You do. The policy would
unnecessarily push people away. That was the
issue with your policy but you refused to see
that.
That's gate keeping.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:06 PM
No, gatekeeping would be telling them they're
not allowed under any circumstances.
My positions wasn't "no gays at all" it was "no
Igbt content in bios allowed".
Yet here you are, continuing to misrepresent
my stance
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4:39
StickManDan
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StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:07 PM
Right just denounce this part of what you view
to be you, so that you can come in and you are
welcome.
Babybel Original Cheese
They never had to denounce it, they had to
remove it from their profile.
Holy mackerel.
They never had to
denounce it, they had to remove it from their profile.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:07 PM
Some would view it this way. It's why the
policy was removed.
A) Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:08 PM
Did you ever see me remove people who didn't
denounce homosexuality?
Did anyone in the server do that?
The answer is no btw.
You're making a boogie man out of an issue
that doesn't even exist, just so you can find a
reason to have an issue with me.
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4:40
StickManDan
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StickManDan YHWH
8/10/25, 3:09 PM
No that's not the point. The policy is removed
so that there is less triggering and more of a
chance for these people to come to the server
and receive the Gospel and love from the
community.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:09 PM
I still don't think you understand why there is
practically no trust between us.
StickManDan 4 YHWH No that's not the point.
The policy is removed so that there is less triggerin...
Yes, because Christianity is all about making
people comfortable in their sin.
Babybel Original Cheese
Yes, because
Christianity is all about making people comfortable...
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:10 PM
No... it's about Jesus dying on the cross for
their sins so that they know they arelpved and
then have a desire to leave their sins because
of the Holy Spirit working in them when they
believe in Jesus Christ.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:11 PM
Yet you are making policies that prioritize
comfortable falsehoods over uncomfortab
truths.
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4:40
StickManDan
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Babybel Original Cheese
Yet you are making
policies that prioritize comfortable falsehoods over...
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:12 PM
They don't get the Gospel when they are told
that they can't have LGBT pronouns in their
bio. Changing behavior before they believe
does nothing to the unbeliever.
A) Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:13 PM
They don't get the gospel when you live by
their worldly standards.
StickManDan 4 YHWH
I don't live by their standards.
No one on staff does.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:13 PM
That's what this policy dictates.
8/10/25, 3:14 PM
No it dictates they must live like us and hide
their beliefs. Remove these things from your
bio or we don't accept you.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:18 PM
Whats the problem with not allowing that
content in the server?
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Babybel Original Cheese Whats the problem
with not allowing that content in the server?
StickManDan 4 YHWH
8/10/25, 3:20 PM
People being triggered and refusing before
they come in.
Getting them offended before they step foot
in the server even if they comply.
Babybel Original Cheese
8/10/25, 3:21 PM
If they are offended by the truth than they can
just leave.
If Igbt people truly are interested in scripture,
they will seek it regardless of how offensive
the answer is.
I've seen it plenty of times.
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Babybel Original Cheese
8/13/25, 12:24 PM
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StickManDan YHWH
8/3/25, 02:57
So I am unsure where to put this but I just removed
my second in command from Fur Christ Alone so...
He might start stuff in your servers, so just be
aware.
Belcanto
Such a gracious man you are.
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Belcanto •g Yesterday at 2:48 PM
These were on the 10th of August.
And then the beware he posted was between the
10th and the 13th.
These two are from May 15th.