Belcanto's Audio Testimony¶
Belcanto testsimony in the server 1 of 3¶
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100:00:00SPEAKER_00Okay, so I was actually the co-owner of FCA at the time.
200:00:05SPEAKER_00This is the server that Dan created after the whole blowup in Furries for Christ.
300:00:10SPEAKER_00And so what ended up happening is that Neil, who at the time was known as Higher Level, was let into the server, okay?
400:00:18SPEAKER_00And Dan had known that Higher Level had a history of doing things with kids.
500:00:24SPEAKER_00And when I say things, I mean ERP.
600:00:27SPEAKER_00And so what ended up happening is there was a situation,
700:00:30SPEAKER_00about a month after he joined.
800:00:33SPEAKER_00He had joined in April and then this situation broke out in like early May of last year.
900:00:39SPEAKER_00So what happened was he got caught doing stuff with a kid and we dealt with it.
1000:00:48SPEAKER_00And then we later found out that, and I believe this was after there was a big back and forth of how to even handle the situation.
1100:00:56SPEAKER_00I was saying that he needed to be banned and he needed to be like completely cut off from the community whatsoever.
1200:01:02SPEAKER_00And that we needed to give like the kid, we needed to help the kid.
1300:01:06SPEAKER_00We needed to do something to help him.
1400:01:09SPEAKER_00And what Stickman Dan wanted to do is he wanted to ban the kid.
1500:01:13SPEAKER_00He was more focused on banning the kid than banning higher level.
1600:01:19SPEAKER_00And unfortunately I did not grab screenshots of this.
1700:01:24SPEAKER_00but I will have evidence later that does corroborate it.
1800:01:28SPEAKER_00So what ended up happening is there was a big moderation meeting and a little bit before this meeting, I had come to find out that Dan had known the entire time that Neil had a history of doing stuff with kids and he let him into the server
1900:01:51SPEAKER_00knowing that these that he had a past of doing this stuff under the guise of like oh well he's healed he's repented and so i like ripped into him a lot in this in this uh mod meeting uh i told him over and over again you cannot be doing this you cannot let you know people who have a past of this stuff into a server that is rated for 13 and up right and which in my opinion is way too low of an age rating
2000:02:18SPEAKER_00considering the things that get discussed there anyways.
2100:02:21SPEAKER_00And so I told him, like, dude, you cannot do this.
2200:02:24SPEAKER_00This breaks the trust.
2300:02:25SPEAKER_00You should step down.
2400:02:27SPEAKER_00You should step down.
2500:02:28SPEAKER_00You should not be a leader.
2600:02:29SPEAKER_00This is a colossal blunder, and you cannot be leading any communities when you do that.
2700:02:37SPEAKER_00And I will post some stuff that corroborates this later.
2800:02:42SPEAKER_00There is a recording of this meeting, actually.
2900:02:45SPEAKER_00Unfortunately, the only person with access to it is Whiplash.
3000:02:51SPEAKER_00And Whiplash is a completely other situation.
3100:02:54SPEAKER_00So Whiplash has to this day defended everything Dan has done regarding every situation of ERP that he is like oversaw every situation where a minor has been hurt.
3200:03:10SPEAKER_00Whiplash has completely stood by Dan.
3300:03:13SPEAKER_00And I recently found out from one of Dan's old, one of the current moderators at FCA, that Dan has had evidence of another situation of someone doing, you know, inappropriate RPU with a minor.
3400:03:30SPEAKER_00And he's done absolutely nothing about it.
3500:03:33SPEAKER_00He has done absolutely nothing about it.
3600:03:35SPEAKER_00He has been sitting on it since October.
3700:03:38SPEAKER_00So, you know...
3800:03:41SPEAKER_00Like, it's really difficult.
3900:03:43SPEAKER_00I don't know.
4000:03:43SPEAKER_00I don't know what his problem is.
4100:03:45SPEAKER_00But, you know, after that, you know, I basically got shut down.
4200:03:50SPEAKER_00Dan did not step down like he should have.
4300:03:55SPEAKER_00And three months later, I got kicked out from the server.
4400:04:02SPEAKER_00I got banned and removed as co-owner.
4500:04:05SPEAKER_00Because I told them that their policy regarding LGBTQ stuff...
4600:04:11SPEAKER_00was going to put more kids in danger.
Belcanto testimony in the server 2 of 3¶
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100:00:02SPEAKER_00After this whole situation blew up, within about 24 hours, Sticky Dan stepped down and made Whiplash the owner of the server.
200:00:15SPEAKER_00And considering that Whiplash has continuously, and I do mean continuously, gone out of his way to defend Dan's handling of all the situations with all of these kids,
300:00:33SPEAKER_00you know, I don't trust him.
400:00:37SPEAKER_00And he has continued to defend it all the way back to like flipping, I don't know, like back in last January on Twitter, he publicly defended it.
500:00:50SPEAKER_00So there's that.
600:00:52SPEAKER_00And I'll find the images where he tries to label me as like an attention seeker.
Belcanto testimony in the server 3 of 3¶
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100:00:01SPEAKER_00was also another situation in which uh this applies to vex if any of you are familiar with him but he was um a member of furries for christ back when it was still around and he had done some things uh that were not okay he did erp with another member um
200:00:26SPEAKER_00And so he was removed, but he and I remained in contact so that I could minister to him.
300:00:32SPEAKER_00And eventually we kind of fell out of contact for a bit.
400:00:35SPEAKER_00Fast forward to the beginning of FCA.
500:00:40SPEAKER_00He joined the server and Dan made him a mod.
600:00:48SPEAKER_00And I was very skeptical of this decision and I criticized it and I said, hey, he's not ready for this.
700:00:54SPEAKER_00Pick anyone else.
800:00:55SPEAKER_00Pick literally anyone else to be a mod.
900:00:58SPEAKER_00Like, I have several recommendations that would work perfectly.
1000:01:01SPEAKER_00But please do not...
1100:01:03SPEAKER_00He's not ready for this.
1200:01:04SPEAKER_00Okay?
1300:01:05SPEAKER_00And then, of course, unfortunately, I don't have any DMs or screenshots of this whole situation.
1400:01:11SPEAKER_00This is just me telling everyone what happened.
1500:01:16SPEAKER_00But what ended up happening is that Vex ended up doing ERP with another person.
1600:01:22SPEAKER_00And so what ended up happening...
1700:01:23SPEAKER_00is that Dan banned the member, but kept Vex on as a mod.
1800:01:31SPEAKER_00And I really had to fight tooth and nail to explain to him, if you're going to ban the member who he did this with, then you also need to ban Vex because that is completely unfair of you.
1900:01:45SPEAKER_00And he and I went back and forth for a long time.
2000:01:48SPEAKER_00This was like a 24 hour back and forth throughout the day.
2100:01:52SPEAKER_00And eventually he relented and he, you know, I basically had to make myself into the bad guy there.
2200:01:59SPEAKER_00And I said, like, if, if you're not going to ban him, then like you, you're not, you're not following your own standards.
2300:02:08SPEAKER_00So, and this is like a common pattern.
2400:02:10SPEAKER_00He is more willing to leave people who are actively a risk to the members.
2500:02:19SPEAKER_00Not that Vex is, like, a problem anymore.
2600:02:21SPEAKER_00I've heard he's doing a lot better now.
2700:02:23SPEAKER_00But, like, it is dangerous.
2800:02:26SPEAKER_00Like, on his behalf.
2900:02:28SPEAKER_00Because he is willing to protect sex predators.
3000:02:32SPEAKER_00In this case, you know, people who struggle a lot with ERP.
3100:02:35SPEAKER_00As long as they're on his mod team and, like, have trust in him.
3200:02:38SPEAKER_00Even in the DMs I showed you.
3300:02:41SPEAKER_00He's more...
3400:02:41SPEAKER_00He's focused on protecting people who are loyal to him.
3500:02:46SPEAKER_00Not...
3600:02:48SPEAKER_00people that really need help, right?
3700:02:50SPEAKER_00He's more focused on protecting loyalty and keeping the server going because it gives him power.
3800:02:57SPEAKER_00And I guarantee you, I know for a fact that Stickman Dan remained, okay?
3900:03:03SPEAKER_00He remained, he kept his mod access after he quote unquote stepped down.
4000:03:12SPEAKER_00So he's not trustworthy, he's not trustworthy.
Conversation with Belcanto¶
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100:00:01SPEAKER_01I guess I should probably start from the beginning, shouldn't I?
200:00:06SPEAKER_01Let's see.
300:00:07SPEAKER_01So back in the day, like in 2023 or so, I'd say like late 2023 is when Stickman Dan joined the Furries for Christ Discord server that was being run by Skittles the Fox.
400:00:26SPEAKER_01He became pretty well-liked in the community.
500:00:30SPEAKER_01i was already a mod at that point i got made a mod in that server around i want to say june july of 2023 but anyways um very shortly after he joined he was made a mod and he was basically a mainstay uh if you know anything about furries for christ as a server you know that it had like just a rotation of people constantly leaving
600:00:56SPEAKER_01And joining the mod team.
700:00:57SPEAKER_01Just because it was not very stable.
800:01:00SPEAKER_01But uh.
900:01:01SPEAKER_01Let's see.
1000:01:02SPEAKER_01I think the first major issue.
1100:01:05SPEAKER_01Arised in.
1200:01:09SPEAKER_01Early.
1300:01:09SPEAKER_01Either early 2024.
1400:01:10SPEAKER_01Or late late 2023.
1500:01:11SPEAKER_01I'm going to say.
1600:01:12SPEAKER_01Maybe February.
1700:01:12SPEAKER_01Of 2024.
1800:01:13SPEAKER_01There was a member in the server.
1900:01:15SPEAKER_01Named Vex.
2000:01:17SPEAKER_01Uh.
2100:01:24SPEAKER_01Some of you probably actually know him still.
2200:01:26SPEAKER_01He's a lot better now from what I hear, but basically what happened is he and Skittles did ERP together.
2300:01:37SPEAKER_01I don't remember if Vex was an adult at that time.
2400:01:41SPEAKER_01I think he was.
2500:01:43SPEAKER_01I think he had just turned 18.
2600:01:45SPEAKER_01But basically, Ian Vex did ERP, and that was the first time it happened.
2700:01:54SPEAKER_01or no it wasn't the first time this was this this had happened a lot basically these two had done things together like a few times before and this was kind of the last straw so what ended up happening is i kicked vex from the server and i kind of just remained in contact and just kind of like kept an eye on him to like just to make sure he was doing okay and to like privately minister to him
2800:02:22SPEAKER_01And so that went well, and then we kind of lost contact in around, I want to say, either March or April of 2024.
2900:02:34SPEAKER_01And then a few other issues happened after that.
3000:02:37SPEAKER_01There were several issues of ERP between Skittles and other members in the server who were minors at the time, and eventually it got to a point where there was just a catalog of issues that had happened, and none of the moderators knew.
3100:02:51SPEAKER_01I don't know if Sticky knew of these issues, but when they finally came up, right, and this is like late 2024, near Christmas, like it just blows up.
3200:03:03SPEAKER_01There's a bunch of allegations going around against Skittles, and it leads to the server just kind of getting nuked.
3300:03:11SPEAKER_01And this kind of, this almost actually happened a few months prior.
3400:03:15SPEAKER_01I want to say August of 2024.
3500:03:21SPEAKER_01there was another situation where I was begging Skittles to like, please step down.
3600:03:26SPEAKER_01You are not fit for leadership.
3700:03:28SPEAKER_01You cannot run the server.
3800:03:29SPEAKER_01You keep getting involved in ERP with anyone that like reciprocates like affection with you.
3900:03:36SPEAKER_01And I had even talked to Dan about it and he would always say, well, this is, you know, he's in this, he's in this position because God put him here.
4000:03:49SPEAKER_01We can't take that position away that we can't meddle with what God wants.
4100:03:54SPEAKER_01And so that was just kind of where we were at.
4200:03:58SPEAKER_01I was trying to tell him that Skittles needed to leave, needed to be removed from power in this server because he kept abusing it.
4300:04:06SPEAKER_01And I just kept getting told, well, we can't get in the way of what God wants.
4400:04:11SPEAKER_01And so fast forward back to the December situation.
4500:04:15SPEAKER_01The server gets nuked.
4600:04:18SPEAKER_01And that's where FCA starts.
4700:04:21SPEAKER_01And from the beginning, there were issues with FCA.
4800:04:25SPEAKER_01For one, Dan brought Vex back into the picture.
4900:04:32SPEAKER_01At first, it was just server technician stuff.
5000:04:36SPEAKER_01And so I didn't have too much of a problem with it because he didn't have any power.
5100:04:41SPEAKER_01And, you know, Dan had said, oh, well, he's repented.
5200:04:43SPEAKER_01He's changed.
5300:04:44SPEAKER_01He's a lot better.
5400:04:44SPEAKER_01I was like, okay.
5500:04:46SPEAKER_01You know, I...
5600:04:47SPEAKER_01I won't say you're wrong.
5700:04:49SPEAKER_01Let's just see.
5800:04:51SPEAKER_01But then another ERP situation happens.
5900:04:55SPEAKER_02Real quick.
6000:04:57SPEAKER_02Make sure that whenever you jump to an event, you tell us when it happened.
6100:05:01SPEAKER_01Okay.
6200:05:02SPEAKER_01This would have been in January of 2025.
6300:05:03SPEAKER_01So in January of 2025...
6400:05:14SPEAKER_01That's when, like, programming and stuff for the server began.
6500:05:20SPEAKER_01And Vex was, like, brought on as, like, a programmer, I guess.
6600:05:24SPEAKER_01Like, bot stuff, if I remember correctly.
6700:05:27SPEAKER_01And he was, like, you know, that was normal.
6800:05:29SPEAKER_01Eventually the server opens, and then he gets involved with, like, another server member.
6900:05:36SPEAKER_01And, you know, that got swept under the rug.
7000:05:40SPEAKER_01I, like, I didn't even know about it until, like, a month or two later.
7100:05:44SPEAKER_01And then, this is what, like, caused my first, like...
7200:05:51SPEAKER_01This is what really caused me to start, like, questioning Dan as, like, a leader.
7300:05:56SPEAKER_01Is that Vex was made a moderator in the server, and I was against this.
7400:06:01SPEAKER_01I was like, he's not ready for it.
7500:06:03SPEAKER_01He has not shown that he's mature enough for this position.
7600:06:07SPEAKER_01Like, you and I both know his past.
7700:06:10SPEAKER_01Like, this is not a good idea.
7800:06:11SPEAKER_01And he was like, no, just trust me, it'll be fine.
7900:06:13SPEAKER_01He's repented, yada, yada, yada.
8000:06:14SPEAKER_01I'm like, okay, fine, I'll trust it.
8100:06:19SPEAKER_01And then in late February or early March of 2025, it comes out that Vex had been doing stuff with another server member, like ERP.
8200:06:33SPEAKER_01And what ended up happening is that Dan wanted to ban the member, but wanted to keep Vex on in staff.
8300:06:43SPEAKER_01as a moderator.
8400:06:45SPEAKER_01And I told him, absolutely not.
8500:06:48SPEAKER_01This is not okay.
8600:06:49SPEAKER_01You cannot do this.
8700:06:51SPEAKER_01He's just as guilty as the person that he did ERP with.
8800:06:55SPEAKER_01And keep in mind, for this specific situation, both people involved in the erotic roleplay were adults.
8900:07:04SPEAKER_01But, um, so, like, it's not like an adult did stuff with a kid and we're just gonna ban the adult so we can help the kid out.
9000:07:13SPEAKER_01These were both full-grown men doing ERP together.
9100:07:18SPEAKER_01And Dan wanted to ban the server member, but keep Vex as a member on staff.
9200:07:25SPEAKER_01And so this was like a 24-hour argument, basically.
9300:07:29SPEAKER_01Throughout the day, we were just arguing with each other.
9400:07:32SPEAKER_01And eventually, he relented, and he removed Vex from the server.
9500:07:38SPEAKER_01And, you know...
9600:07:41SPEAKER_01Like, that was, that's, like, basically the only time I ever had a win against him when it came to any kind of server moderation issues.
9700:07:50SPEAKER_01Everything else was a loss.
9800:07:52SPEAKER_01Yeah.
9900:07:53SPEAKER_02So, what would you say, what was the relationship that Vex and Dan had?
10000:08:02SPEAKER_01Student mentor, I guess, would be the most accurate way.
10100:08:06SPEAKER_01As someone, like, look, as an outsider looking in.
10200:08:09SPEAKER_01I've never really asked Vex about the relationship they've had, whether it was like, you know, just student teacher or if it was more of like a fatherly son situation shit.
10300:08:21SPEAKER_01But like, I don't know.
10400:08:23SPEAKER_01I would say student teacher.
10500:08:27SPEAKER_01But in hindsight, I think it was just that Vex was loyal to him.
10600:08:32SPEAKER_01And that's why he kept or wanted to keep him on because he just wanted people that would be loyal to him.
10700:08:38SPEAKER_01regardless of what they were doing.
10800:08:43SPEAKER_01The next situation happened in late April and extended into May.
10900:08:51SPEAKER_01So this is when Neil, higher level, joined the server.
11000:08:56SPEAKER_01He had been a member in Furries for Christ, if I remember correctly, but he left.
11100:09:04SPEAKER_01And we never were told why he left or why he was removed or anything like that.
11200:09:09SPEAKER_01But let's see, in April, he was let into the server by Daniel himself.
11300:09:17SPEAKER_01We were never told to keep an eye on him.
11400:09:20SPEAKER_01We were never told to watch out for him, to keep an eye or anything.
11500:09:27SPEAKER_01And in April, he ended up doing stuff, like ERP, with this kid.
11600:09:36SPEAKER_01I think his name is Jay.
11700:09:38SPEAKER_01if I remember correctly.
11800:09:40SPEAKER_01And at the time, he was either 12 or 13.
11900:09:43SPEAKER_01And higher level was in his 20s.
12000:09:48SPEAKER_01So, you know, eventually we found out about that.
12100:09:51SPEAKER_01Like, the rest of the mod team, we found out about it.
12200:09:54SPEAKER_01And, you know, I confronted Daniel.
12300:09:57SPEAKER_01I was like, did you know about this?
12400:09:59SPEAKER_01Like, did you know that there was stuff with higher level?
12500:10:03SPEAKER_01Or did you know that he had...
12600:10:09SPEAKER_01history of doing stuff with kids and you like would jump around it a lot he would never give me a straight answer but then i eventually found out through dms from someone else um lex the circle he like confronted dan on it and took pictures of the dms basically and um let's see he sent them to me and dan admitted to having known
12700:10:37SPEAKER_01that Neil had a past of doing stuff with kids and let him into the server anyway because Neil had, quote-unquote, changed or had confessed and repented or whatever.
12800:10:49SPEAKER_01And so there was a mod meeting in FCA in mid-May, I think.
12900:10:55SPEAKER_01I want to say it was either the...
13000:10:58SPEAKER_01I want to say it might have been the 8th of May, actually, because I think it was finals week for me.
13100:11:05SPEAKER_01And so I...
13200:11:07SPEAKER_01I really tore into him during this mod meeting.
13300:11:10SPEAKER_01Everyone was present, including Dan and Whiplash.
13400:11:14SPEAKER_01So I really tore into him.
13500:11:17SPEAKER_01I told him that it was completely unacceptable that he let someone who has a past of sexually abusing minors and grooming them into the server knowingly.
13600:11:29SPEAKER_01And that it was completely disgusting, it was irresponsible, how he should not be a leader, that he needs to step down immediately.
13700:11:37SPEAKER_01And that, you know, like, even if you do let those people in, you have to tell us to keep an eye on it.
13800:11:46SPEAKER_01Or you have to let us have a say in it.
13900:11:48SPEAKER_01Because now, like, we've all been dragged into this because you, like, didn't tell us anything.
14000:11:55SPEAKER_01You know, you didn't tell us about this guy.
14100:11:57SPEAKER_01We had no clue about it.
14200:11:59SPEAKER_01And then, you know, everyone on the mod team at the time agreed with me on this, except for Whiplash.
14300:12:07SPEAKER_01Whiplash has always stood by Dan in these situations.
14400:12:12SPEAKER_01To this day, he defends Dan's decision to allow Neil into the server, and he also defends a lot of the really bad server policy that I'm going to get into in a moment.
14500:12:24SPEAKER_01So, you know, eventually Neil is permanently banned from the server, whatever.
14600:12:33SPEAKER_01But I never really...
14700:12:36SPEAKER_01gained like my trust in dan was permanently broken after that day he like in the call he like was basically just saying like what do you want me to say stuff like that stuff like well what do you want me to say i'm like it's not about what you say it's like do you actually feel like bad about this happening and i i do not think the things he said uh show that he was he felt any guilt over it and there is a recording of this of this um this meeting
14800:13:07SPEAKER_01But Whiplash has it.
14900:13:08SPEAKER_01And I highly doubt anyone in this group chat will ever get to see that video.
15000:13:13SPEAKER_01Because it's private on his YouTube channel.
15100:13:16SPEAKER_01Or it's unlisted or something.
15200:13:18SPEAKER_01But, um... Let's see.
15300:13:21SPEAKER_01After that...
15400:13:23SPEAKER_01The next big thing...
15500:13:25SPEAKER_01I kind of became super inactive in the server.
15600:13:28SPEAKER_01So there are probably a few issues that even I don't know about.
15700:13:32SPEAKER_01But the next big thing started in July.
15800:13:34SPEAKER_01Um...
15900:13:36SPEAKER_01Whiplash and Dan wanted to change the server policy to allow more leniency when it came to LGBTQ stuff in people's bios, like having pride flags in their usernames or they them pronouns or Demi or Polly or stuff like that in their bios.
16000:13:55SPEAKER_01And while this isn't necessarily a bad thing by itself, the problem is that the server is listed as a 13 and up server.
16100:14:06SPEAKER_01This is a server for basically teenagers that are furries and Christians.
16200:14:12SPEAKER_01And yeah, adults join the server, but this is a place where basically the content needs to be for just 13-year-olds, and we can't really go further than that because then we're exposing them to things that's just not appropriate.
16300:14:29SPEAKER_01And so I had a lot of things to say against it.
16400:14:35SPEAKER_01Whiplash will tell you the same.
16500:14:36SPEAKER_01Pretty much everyone in the mod team at the time will tell you that I was completely against it from the beginning.
16600:14:44SPEAKER_01And Dan, to his credit, he did hold off on implementing it.
16700:14:51SPEAKER_01He said, oh, I want to wait to see what the rest of the team has to say.
16800:14:55SPEAKER_01We're going to discuss it in a meeting.
16900:14:58SPEAKER_01And then we have the meeting, right?
17000:15:01SPEAKER_01And he's just completely not listening to anything I've said.
17100:15:04SPEAKER_01He is not listening to the fact that I'm pointing out that it just enables more grooming from adults, how it puts more kids at risk.
17200:15:12SPEAKER_01It exposes more children to things that they should not be exposed to.
17300:15:18SPEAKER_01And, like, it is a tool that they can use.
17400:15:21SPEAKER_01Curiosity is a tool that groomers can use to take advantage of children.
17500:15:28SPEAKER_01Like, I work in ministry, okay?
17600:15:29SPEAKER_01I work in children's ministry at my church, okay?
17700:15:34SPEAKER_01There are just some things that are completely off limits.
17800:15:38SPEAKER_01You do not talk about certain things with children because it's not appropriate.
17900:15:43SPEAKER_01Not because, you know, you want to keep the truth from them, but because at that age, they're simply not ready to understand or learn about this stuff.
18000:15:52SPEAKER_01And like when it comes to like LGBTQ content, like, yeah, I'm sure some of these kids know about that stuff already, but we don't want to make it easier for adults to,
18100:16:03SPEAKER_01with bad intentions, to, you know, take advantage of them.
18200:16:08SPEAKER_01Because that happens.
18300:16:10SPEAKER_01Even in Christian spaces, that happens.
18400:16:13SPEAKER_01I have seen it.
18500:16:14SPEAKER_01First hand, I have seen it.
18600:16:17SPEAKER_01Okay?
18700:16:17SPEAKER_01Like, this is stuff that happens all the time.
18800:16:20SPEAKER_01Even, like, not just, like, in person, IRL, like, all the time, online.
18900:16:27SPEAKER_01It happens.
19000:16:29SPEAKER_01And so, like I said, to his credit, he held off.
19100:16:33SPEAKER_01on implementing it.
19200:16:34SPEAKER_01He wanted to wait until we got a group chat or a group call going.
19300:16:38SPEAKER_01But in the group call, he completely ignored everything I was saying and was like, well, Whiplash says it's a good idea.
19400:16:45SPEAKER_01He would very frequently default to Whiplash.
19500:16:49SPEAKER_01He was like, Whiplash agrees with me.
19600:16:51SPEAKER_01And then some of the mods would vaguely agree with him.
19700:16:55SPEAKER_01And so eventually the policy was put in place for like a week.
19800:17:00SPEAKER_01And then in August,
19900:17:03SPEAKER_01Early August of 2025.
20000:17:06SPEAKER_01Babybel, can you put a pause on it real quick?
20100:17:09SPEAKER_02Wilfer, can you pause the recording?
20200:17:10SPEAKER_02I gotta use the restroom real fast.
20300:17:12SPEAKER_02Sure.
20400:17:16SPEAKER_01Action.
20500:17:20SPEAKER_01Okay.
20600:17:20SPEAKER_01So, in 2025, this is August now.
20700:17:25SPEAKER_01Let's see.
20800:17:25SPEAKER_00I was just talking about the policy change.
20900:17:28SPEAKER_01So, eventually, in August, um...
21000:17:31SPEAKER_01after the policy change was enacted, Dan went on like a family vacation, camping trip or something, I don't know.
21100:17:40SPEAKER_01And I was basically left in charge of the server.
21200:17:44SPEAKER_01And so, you know, when he left, I basically said, okay, we're gonna put a pause on all invites regarding people that have LGBTQ content in their bios or profiles.
21300:17:58SPEAKER_01Simply just pause the info.
21400:17:59SPEAKER_01Don't ban them.
21500:18:01SPEAKER_01Don't kick them.
21600:18:03SPEAKER_01They can fill out the application form.
21700:18:05SPEAKER_01We're just not going to confirm it.
21800:18:07SPEAKER_01Until Dan gets back.
21900:18:09SPEAKER_01And we have another conversation about it.
22000:18:11SPEAKER_01Because not everyone was present.
22100:18:13SPEAKER_01In the first VC.
22200:18:15SPEAKER_01So I was like.
22300:18:18SPEAKER_01Let's hold off then.
22400:18:20SPEAKER_01And discuss this.
22500:18:22SPEAKER_01One more time.
22600:18:23SPEAKER_01And really get a census for it.
22700:18:25SPEAKER_01With everyone involved.
22800:18:26SPEAKER_01And so.
22900:18:28SPEAKER_01After that was made, what ended up happening was Dan and Whiplash pulled me into a VC.
23000:18:38SPEAKER_01Or not a VC, my bad.
23100:18:41SPEAKER_01It was a group chat.
23200:18:42SPEAKER_01And basically Dan told me that what I was doing was wrong and that I was abusing my power.
23300:18:51SPEAKER_01And so did Whiplash.
23400:18:52SPEAKER_01They basically said that I was betraying their trust and abusing my power and
23500:18:57SPEAKER_01And, like, I basically explained again that this was a dangerous policy that would put more children in danger.
23600:19:04SPEAKER_01And that, like, you cannot do this.
23700:19:08SPEAKER_01Like, we can talk about a compromise, but if this is what you're going to do, then I cannot abide it.
23800:19:15SPEAKER_01I simply cannot abide this as a decision.
23900:19:19SPEAKER_01So, we have a long back and forth.
24000:19:23SPEAKER_01There's a lot of...
24100:19:25SPEAKER_01really stupid things that both of them said and like eventually what happened was um i was told that or dan told me that uh like this position is like too hard on me or something or that like this is like causing me you know strife spiritual warfare and strife so i'm gonna remove you from from the from being co-owner i was like that's stupid
24200:19:53SPEAKER_01He's removing me because I'm saying that this is a bad policy and it's completely unacceptable, and explaining to him that this will cause more kids to be in danger than it will help people come to Christ, basically.
24300:20:09SPEAKER_01Basically, it's a lose-lose.
24400:20:11SPEAKER_01And I said, if you change the age rating of the server to 16+, then even that would be somewhat acceptable.
24500:20:22SPEAKER_01I would be willing to meet you in the middle, but he was not willing to do that at all.
24600:20:27SPEAKER_01He was not willing to compromise on this issue one bit.
24700:20:32SPEAKER_01And basically, I was removed from my position, and not only that, I got completely banned from the server.
24800:20:42SPEAKER_01And this was all in August.
24900:20:44SPEAKER_01And very shortly afterwards, I posted, I think I posted a beware.
25000:20:51SPEAKER_01the server like on x um just to you know put it out there that the server was not abiding by christian principles it was you know dangerous for children but the that the server owner had a habit of letting predators into into the community knowingly and that you know it was just not a safe spot and like anyone who is a former member should speak out about it stuff like that
25100:21:19SPEAKER_01And Whiplash, very quickly, he was also on X at the time, he basically responded and said, you know, I'm just a drama farmer, stuff like that.
25200:21:32SPEAKER_01That I just cause a lot of conflict.
25300:21:34SPEAKER_01And that ever since I've been removed, the server's actually doing so much better.
25400:21:40SPEAKER_01Basically very petty things like that.
25500:21:43SPEAKER_01Not once addressing the issue.
25600:21:46SPEAKER_01And that is, you know, until...
25700:21:49SPEAKER_01Let's see.
25800:21:51SPEAKER_01Until January of this year, that was the last time I ever really spoke to either of them.
25900:21:57SPEAKER_01So in January, I was made aware of another ERP situation that happened in October of 2025.
26000:22:09SPEAKER_01And this was apparently between Skittles, the old FFC owner, and a miner who I don't remember the name of.
26100:22:20SPEAKER_01And I've seen the screenshots.
26200:22:22SPEAKER_01Okay, I can confirm they're real.
26300:22:25SPEAKER_01You know, I've seen screenshots.
26400:22:27SPEAKER_01But basically, the reason this happened, the reason I was made aware of this, was because there was a Twitter spat, because, not higher level, Whiplash had a really bad biblical take on the book of Genesis, and he got flamed for it by Bronymon, Velocity Wolf, a bunch of Christian furs that are on X.
26500:22:49SPEAKER_01And are pretty active in the community there.
26600:22:51SPEAKER_01Basically he just got.
26700:22:53SPEAKER_01He got molly walked.
26800:22:54SPEAKER_01By everyone on a biblical proportion.
26900:22:57SPEAKER_01And as a means of like.
27000:23:00SPEAKER_01You know.
27100:23:00SPEAKER_01Defending himself.
27200:23:02SPEAKER_01He once again dragged me into it.
27300:23:03SPEAKER_01By calling me like a drama farmer.
27400:23:05SPEAKER_01And saying that like.
27500:23:07SPEAKER_01You know.
27600:23:07SPEAKER_01He's lying about FCA.
27700:23:10SPEAKER_01Stuff like that.
27800:23:12SPEAKER_01You know.
27900:23:13SPEAKER_01Dan was right to.
28000:23:15SPEAKER_01To have you know.
28100:23:17SPEAKER_01compassion for Neil, stuff like that.
28200:23:20SPEAKER_01Just really, really gross defense.
28300:23:23SPEAKER_01And Whiplash, to this day, defends Dan's decision to allow higher level into the server because Dan was doing his Christian duty or something and showing mercy and forgiveness to the Repentant, even though he wasn't really repentant or whatever.
28400:23:41SPEAKER_01But, you know, that situation happens on Axe, and eventually two mods reach out to me.
28500:23:47SPEAKER_01From FCA.
28600:23:48SPEAKER_01I don't remember the names of one of them.
28700:23:50SPEAKER_01But I do know.
28800:23:51SPEAKER_01One of them was like Arko Tai.
28900:23:53SPEAKER_01I think.
29000:23:55SPEAKER_01I don't know if y'all are aware of him.
29100:23:57SPEAKER_01But he came out to me.
29200:23:58SPEAKER_01And was like.
29300:24:00SPEAKER_01Why are you.
29400:24:02SPEAKER_01Why are you still in Skittle's server.
29500:24:04SPEAKER_01When he's a predator.
29600:24:05SPEAKER_01And I'm like what are you talking about.
29700:24:07SPEAKER_01What happened now.
29800:24:08SPEAKER_01And he sent me the DMs.
29900:24:10SPEAKER_01I was like well first of all.
30000:24:13SPEAKER_01Like there's no actual.
30100:24:15SPEAKER_01you know, sex in the, in the messages like e-sex or whatever, which is true.
30200:24:20SPEAKER_01However, the, the messages were incredibly like, you know, passionate without about as passionate as you can get without being explicitly sexual.
30300:24:30SPEAKER_01And they were inappropriate.
30400:24:31SPEAKER_01Um, and so I was like, dude, like, so you, so you're, you, you claim this as ERP.
30500:24:38SPEAKER_01Okay, sure.
30600:24:39SPEAKER_01Yeah.
30700:24:40SPEAKER_01But y'all have known about this for how long?
30800:24:43SPEAKER_01He's like, oh, we've known about it since it happened.
30900:24:45SPEAKER_01I'm like, so you've known about this situation for what?
31000:24:50SPEAKER_01Four months now?
31100:24:51SPEAKER_01Almost four months?
31200:24:54SPEAKER_01And you have not done anything about it?
31300:24:57SPEAKER_01And I even went to Dan.
31400:24:58SPEAKER_01I DM'd him.
31500:24:59SPEAKER_01I was like, how on earth can you sit on this for nearly three to four months and do nothing about it?
31600:25:06SPEAKER_01he responded with some bull crap about how like oh i just want to respect the victim's privacy you know i i don't want to put him in in any further like you know pain or whatever and i'm like you know that okay so you know that someone is doing like something really bad to a kid right who's getting romantic with a kid and you just don't do anything you sit on it for this long
31700:25:31SPEAKER_01And eventually I just like up and blocked him because I was like, I'm done.
31800:25:35SPEAKER_01Like you are, you are, I don't even know why you would sit on it because it's not like your best pals with Skittles or anything.
31900:25:44SPEAKER_01It's like, why would you just sit on it for so long?
32000:25:47SPEAKER_01Like there's no excuse for, for sitting on messages in which, you know, an adult is being romantic with a, with a, with a kid.
32100:25:59SPEAKER_01And so that's kind of the last of it.
32200:26:02SPEAKER_01so far, honestly, that I've had to do with Dan.
32300:26:09SPEAKER_01If there's any questions y'all need to ask, I'm more than willing to answer them.
32400:26:13SPEAKER_01But that's about as far as it goes.
32500:26:16SPEAKER_02You guys mind if I go first?
32600:26:21SPEAKER_02Okay.
32700:26:22SPEAKER_02So, the first question I have to ask is, have you had any more recent interactions with Dan?
32800:26:32SPEAKER_01Uh, I think I told him, like, a few weeks ago, like, why I blocked him.
32900:26:37SPEAKER_01I was like, I can't trust you.
33000:26:39SPEAKER_01You have, like, betrayed this community.
33100:26:41SPEAKER_01You're, like, a failure as a leader.
33200:26:43SPEAKER_01Basically just tore into him and, like, told him to screw off, essentially.
33300:26:47SPEAKER_01Okay.
33400:26:50SPEAKER_01Did he respond at all to that?
33500:26:52SPEAKER_02I re-blocked him before he could.
33600:26:55SPEAKER_02Okay, okay.
33700:26:59SPEAKER_02The second thing is, is that...
33800:27:01SPEAKER_01um in your opinion who what kind of person is dan in my opinion dan is a he's a lot of things but if i can limit it to three things he is a narcissist he is a compulsive liar and he is a perpetual victim
33900:27:29SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's interesting.
34000:27:30SPEAKER_02What do you mean by perpetual victim?
34100:27:32SPEAKER_01Even, okay, so, like, in the Neil situation, like, he is constantly acting as if he is the one that's being victimized.
34200:27:39SPEAKER_01Not necessarily, like, in terms of, like, ERP, but, like, that, like, I'm victimizing him by going so, like, hard against him about, like, how he's handling this stuff.
34300:27:49SPEAKER_01But, like, he would, like, frequently act like, you know, I'm a, like, that I'm, like, victimizing him by being this, like, harsh.
34400:27:58SPEAKER_00towards him and how he's handling these very serious issues that's how he's treating me and everyone else like yeah he's always the victim yeah yeah any criticism and he's like you know he melts immediately yeah he actually he did such a good job at doing that that we almost dropped this case that's crazy yeah
34500:28:23SPEAKER_02But I was like, hey, well, before we do that, let me analyze the interview with him.
34600:28:29SPEAKER_02And let's just say that I have about six pages of notes that I took from that video.
34700:28:38SPEAKER_02He's so manipulative.
34800:28:40SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay.
34900:28:42SPEAKER_01So, yeah, that's the same conclusion I came to after watching it.
35000:28:48SPEAKER_01He's a master manipulator.
35100:28:49SPEAKER_01I don't know how he's done this so much.
35200:28:54SPEAKER_01Like, supposedly he's married and with a kid, and somehow he cannot empathize with the desire to protect children.
35300:29:02SPEAKER_01I can't understand it.
35400:29:06SPEAKER_02I don't get it, man.
35500:29:07SPEAKER_02It's ridiculous.
35600:29:10SPEAKER_02Yeah.
35700:29:10SPEAKER_02Let me see if there's any other questions that I have to ask.
35800:29:16SPEAKER_02So...
35900:29:22SPEAKER_02What is his motive?
36000:29:26SPEAKER_02What do you think his motive is?
36100:29:28SPEAKER_01Man, I ask myself that because it literally doesn't make sense.
36200:29:33SPEAKER_01If his motive is influence, then I guess he kind of has it.
36300:29:38SPEAKER_01But if you look at other major Christians, all the big names in the Christian furry community are very wary of him.
36400:29:46SPEAKER_01Whistler is wary of him.
36500:29:48SPEAKER_01I made sure of that as soon as this issue in August broke out.
36600:29:52SPEAKER_01I went straight to his moderators and told him everything.
36700:29:55SPEAKER_01Whistler's wary of him.
36800:29:56SPEAKER_01I think CFF is wary of him because Monocle is a moderator there, and he knows what happened.
36900:30:04SPEAKER_01So I'm sure they're aware of it.
37000:30:06SPEAKER_01Groneymon, he's aware of it.
37100:30:09SPEAKER_01All the big communities he's part of, they know.
37200:30:12SPEAKER_01I don't even know if it's large-scale influence at this point.
37300:30:17SPEAKER_01I think what he wants, I think he just wants control.
37400:30:21SPEAKER_01Generally speaking.
37500:30:24SPEAKER_01Does Rimon know?
37600:30:25SPEAKER_01I don't know.
37700:30:27SPEAKER_01I don't know.
37800:30:28SPEAKER_01I know for a fact I went to Kabrid Kali Connell.
37900:30:35SPEAKER_01I went to him originally about it.
38000:30:37SPEAKER_01I don't know if Rimon knows.
38100:30:39SPEAKER_01I think Otter in CFF knows.
38200:30:44SPEAKER_01I think he's a mod there too.
38300:30:45SPEAKER_01I went to a few people that were just in that general community.
38400:30:51SPEAKER_01but basically two of the, the giant furry Christian servers that exist right now.
38500:30:56SPEAKER_01No.
38600:30:57SPEAKER_01And all of my personal friends who are like, for, do you, are y'all familiar with star tune at all?
38700:31:04SPEAKER_02I am not.
38800:31:06SPEAKER_01Uh, she's a, she's a Christian furry artist.
38900:31:08SPEAKER_01Um, she's, she's quite big on, on X and she's got, she's part of a few big servers as well.
39000:31:15SPEAKER_01Uh, but she, she's a close friend and I told her all about it.
39100:31:18SPEAKER_01Um, um,
39200:31:20SPEAKER_01And she's posted or reposted a lot of my things talking about it.
39300:31:26SPEAKER_01But I don't know.
39400:31:29SPEAKER_01If I had to prescribe a motive, I think he just wants...
39500:31:36SPEAKER_01I think he wants control.
39600:31:37SPEAKER_01I think he is deluding himself.
39700:31:40SPEAKER_01And he just wants control, generally speaking.
39800:31:43SPEAKER_01I mean, he can't handle criticism from...
39900:31:48SPEAKER_01from anyone, really.
40000:31:49SPEAKER_01I have never seen him take criticism well, ever.
40100:31:54SPEAKER_01I think he just genuinely wants control, and that's it.
40200:31:58SPEAKER_02I'm going to ask a really hard question here.
40300:32:02SPEAKER_02Do you think Dan is actually a Christian?
40400:32:06SPEAKER_01Do I think Dan is actually a Christian?
40500:32:10SPEAKER_01Well, let me put my two brain cells together and see if I can
40600:32:18SPEAKER_01Figure out an answer.
40700:32:19SPEAKER_01You know, I've witnessed a lot of things.
40800:32:23SPEAKER_01I basically knew him before he was even known, really.
40900:32:29SPEAKER_01You know, back in Furries for Christ.
41000:32:32SPEAKER_01He has progressed from being a foolish but well-meaning person to being whatever the heck he is now.
41100:32:43SPEAKER_01And at this point, I don't...
41200:32:46SPEAKER_01I can't answer in confidence that he is a Christian.
41300:32:49SPEAKER_01I can't.
41400:32:50SPEAKER_01He has put so many people in danger.
41500:32:54SPEAKER_01He has defended his actions regarding Neil to the very end and has never once expressed remorse over it.
41600:33:02SPEAKER_01And he's now apparently he's still currently just not doing anything about active situations that he wholly knows about, that he completely knew about.
41700:33:15SPEAKER_01So, you know what?
41800:33:16SPEAKER_01I'm not going to say that Dan is not a Christian, okay?
41900:33:23SPEAKER_01But I will say that I can't answer that he is a Christian in confidence.
42000:33:31SPEAKER_01Yeah.
42100:33:33SPEAKER_02Okay.
42200:33:35SPEAKER_02The other question I have is, do you have any knowledge or connections with Metanoia?
42300:33:43SPEAKER_02metanoia i had to ask woofer about what that was um and i had never heard of it before then so no i have zero connections i don't think i know anyone who's even in that server okay uh so i'm gonna say something uh and then i just want you to kind of kind of give your reaction so from what i've seen uh dan has a tendency to where he'll join a group or a community
42400:34:13SPEAKER_02and then he kind of like fluffs himself up, makes himself look really, really good, and then gets brought on as a moderator or an admin.
42500:34:22SPEAKER_02And because the admins around him really like him, from what I've noticed, is that then he tries to take control, and he immediately tries to start pushing everyone who disagrees with him out.
42600:34:38SPEAKER_01I think that you have hit the nail right on the head.
42700:34:43SPEAKER_01I've seen that firsthand, and it is exactly as you've described it.
42800:34:52SPEAKER_01He's not active in any of the servers we are part of.
42900:34:56SPEAKER_01I'm pretty sure the reason why is because he knows I'll say something if he does get active.
43000:35:01SPEAKER_01But from the servers before, before we hated each other's guts, I guess.
43100:35:06SPEAKER_01That's a bit of an overreaction, I guess.
43200:35:09SPEAKER_01But before, we really just disliked each other viscerally.
43300:35:14SPEAKER_01I noticed this pattern, too.
43400:35:19SPEAKER_01So, yes, I agree entirely.
43500:35:21SPEAKER_02All right.
43600:35:22SPEAKER_02I have no further questions.
43700:35:24SPEAKER_02Anybody else wants to ask?
43800:35:25SPEAKER_02Go ahead.
43900:35:27SPEAKER_02Please.
44000:35:27SPEAKER_02I am more than willing to answer your questions via text chat.
44100:35:35SPEAKER_01Does Riemann?
44200:35:36SPEAKER_01I already answered that.
44300:35:37SPEAKER_01I think he does.
44400:35:38SPEAKER_01I'm not entirely sure, though.
44500:35:40SPEAKER_02Somebody calls me.
44600:35:41SPEAKER_01What?
44700:35:49SPEAKER_01I don't know.
44800:35:50SPEAKER_02Somebody give him a courtesy gospel check.
44900:35:53SPEAKER_01I can't go right now.
45000:35:54SPEAKER_01I'm at work.
45100:35:55Oh.
45200:35:56SPEAKER_00Our friend here, Mr. Fesherly, wants us to give you a gospel check.
45300:36:00SPEAKER_01A gospel check?
45400:36:01SPEAKER_01Okay.
45500:36:01SPEAKER_00It's basically to see where your faith is at.
45600:36:03SPEAKER_00You know, it's mainly to build you up, right?
45700:36:06SPEAKER_01I guess.
45800:36:07SPEAKER_01I mean, I won't say no.
45900:36:09SPEAKER_02I would request to put a pause to the recording while we do this, guys.
46000:36:13SPEAKER_02It's not to be added to the gospel checks.
46100:36:16SPEAKER_01from my experience.
46200:36:17SPEAKER_01I have a question pertaining to this.
46300:36:18SPEAKER_02Sure.
46400:36:19SPEAKER_02All right.
46500:36:21SPEAKER_02And I'm sorry I have time for asking this.
46600:36:23SPEAKER_02It's a hard one.
46700:36:25SPEAKER_02I have a feeling I know how you're going to answer it.
46800:36:30SPEAKER_02Does the sacrifice that Jesus made for us... Oh, yeah, it's recording.
46900:36:35SPEAKER_00Okay.
47000:36:39SPEAKER_02So does anybody have... Yeah, does anyone have any other questions for Belecto?
47100:36:44SPEAKER_01Belecto?
47200:36:49SPEAKER_02Is it pronounced Belecto?
47300:36:50SPEAKER_02How is it pronounced?
47400:36:51SPEAKER_02Belcanto.
47500:36:52SPEAKER_02It's Italian.
47600:36:53SPEAKER_02Oh, Belcanto.
47700:36:54SPEAKER_01Okay.
47800:36:56SPEAKER_01It's an operatic singing style.
47900:36:58SPEAKER_01I'm an opera singer.
48000:36:59SPEAKER_00I've been calling you Belcanto.
48100:37:03SPEAKER_01That's fine.
48200:37:03SPEAKER_01I'm from the South, too.
48300:37:05SPEAKER_01It's okay.
48400:37:08SPEAKER_02All right.
48500:37:09SPEAKER_02So I guess with that, if nobody has any further questions, I guess we can go ahead and put it into this.
48600:37:15SPEAKER_02Thank you so much, Belcanto, for giving us your testimony.
48700:37:21SPEAKER_01Yeah, no problem, man.
48800:37:25SPEAKER_01Alrighty.
48900:37:26SPEAKER_02I'm going to end the recording now.
49000:37:29Okay.